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Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #128)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 03:20 PM

Apr 2012

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

It happened in this way to fulfill the promise. The promise did not have to be made in the first place.

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You have to admit Easter IS rather confusing, let me see if I have this right. [View all] cleanhippie Apr 2012 OP

Easter is celebrating the day Jesus came out of his tomb. Bosso 63 Apr 2012 #1

You know I hate to go all "Oh c'mon" on y'all but nolabear Apr 2012 #2

I agree with you, Nolabear roguevalley Apr 2012 #34

Oh, shut up. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #3

I don't believe anybody said you couldn't believe what you want. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #6

So then it's OK to ridicule atheists if I consider their POV to be ridiculous? humblebum Apr 2012 #127

LOL...yeah! Shut up! Iggo Apr 2012 #7

I will shut up just as soon as you shut up first. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #8

Why is it that I doubt that? nt humblebum Apr 2012 #133

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Thanks for the poutrage. TahitiNut Apr 2012 #33

Saying What You Believe Is Funny As Hell, Sir, Is Not Preventing You From Believing It The Magistrate Apr 2012 #126

The Enlightenment was not about accepting all beliefs RainDog Apr 2012 #142

+1. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #143

Funny comic; made me laugh. Bette Noir Apr 2012 #4

Actually, many of the Christian and Pagan traditions are very closely linked.... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2012 #11

Yes, indeed. tavalon Apr 2012 #113

Not odd at all, it gives people of different beliefe systems reason to celebrate. 1620rock Apr 2012 #5

read a blurb few weeks ago saying the 'resurrection' is based on the shroud of turin pasto76 Apr 2012 #9

The Shroud has never been explained by "modern science" mistertrickster Apr 2012 #10

And nothing has ever been explained by "religion" cleanhippie Apr 2012 #12

When the fool hears of the Tao, mistertrickster Apr 2012 #14

I guess we are in agreement, then. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #16

Yup, you win. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #18

I didn't realize it was a contest. I was merely looking for agreement or disagreement cleanhippie Apr 2012 #75

Understood? Hardly... elias7 Apr 2012 #108

Incoherent? Assuredly... cleanhippie Apr 2012 #119

Not really elias7 Apr 2012 #135

No, that would be spirituality tavalon Apr 2012 #114

Huh? cleanhippie Apr 2012 #120

Actually, you got that a bit wrong. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #13

Since you assumed so many things I didn't mean and don't believe mistertrickster Apr 2012 #15

I assumed nothing. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #19

Thank you for magnificent victory dance mistertrickster Apr 2012 #21

Ummm, wtf? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #23

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Again, you got it completely wrong. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #28

God of the gaps (along with the NTS counter-argument) is stale and not a good weapon cbayer Apr 2012 #29

So your argument is that every time science explains something that was previously explained by... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #41

Excellent points nt. Leontius Apr 2012 #44

Wow. That was sad. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #57

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #30

I made no such assumption. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #43

No, he didn't. mr blur Apr 2012 #148

nor can we explain how Incan and Mayan stones can be so perfectly ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2012 #26

Nope. That was ancient aliens. Iggo Apr 2012 #68

OMG, the hair guy, I LOVE THE HAIR GUY!!! Marrah_G Apr 2012 #141

The Shroud is a 14th century painting skepticscott Apr 2012 #56

You have to admit that the concept of a moveable death day does give one pause.... truth2power Apr 2012 #17

Yeah. Igel Apr 2012 #132

Jews killed Christ and Muslims are terrorists . . . mistertrickster Apr 2012 #20

Ahhh, I see. Persecution complex at work here. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #24

Let me add a few more of those stale arguments that are in the handbook. cbayer Apr 2012 #31

Right, I didn't post a comic showing atheists BURNING IN HELL, did I? mistertrickster Apr 2012 #32

Because it's the cool thing to do Leontius Apr 2012 #35

Yup, agreed. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #36

Welcome to the snakepit Leontius Apr 2012 #42

Believing in irrational things does tend to call into question ones rationality. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #47

Agree that believing in irrational things (like one has the answer and everyone who does not cbayer Apr 2012 #49

Well said. cordelia Apr 2012 #51

Is it OK to call a group of creationists skepticscott Apr 2012 #63

+1 darkstar3 Apr 2012 #65

Calling issues and faith into question is only acceptably done in... SamG Apr 2012 #64

Indeed, somebody saying they have the answer and everyone who does not agree... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #106

Because there are some very hurt and angry people here who can not help themselves. cbayer Apr 2012 #37

Wise words, wise indeed. Shalom to all. nt mistertrickster Apr 2012 #38

Shalom to you mistertrickster. cbayer Apr 2012 #39

If I were a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or of any faith, SamG Apr 2012 #66

You are right. cbayer Apr 2012 #81

Not ridicule, teasing. You stole our holiday. You didn't even try to rename it much. Ostara = Easter tavalon Apr 2012 #116

You could have posted one, and we might have thought it funny! eqfan592 Apr 2012 #121

Actually, in this particular instance, I do believe it is being applied correctly. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #46

Noting that Christians are being baited and ridiculed in this group is not a persecution complex. cbayer Apr 2012 #48

Now be honest and also acknowledge skepticscott Apr 2012 #60

No, it wouldn't be. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #107

Woah, grow a humor bone tavalon Apr 2012 #115

Not that confusing to me ajk2821 Apr 2012 #22

While you're at it, why don't you demean and ridicule Martin Luther King, Jr, mistertrickster Apr 2012 #25

One comic here has really put your back up. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #59

Since you have decided to spout off on "high holy days" Marrah_G Apr 2012 #146

Flamebait on Easter. No surprise nt LARED Apr 2012 #40

If you think this is the only flamebait posted lately, you're blind. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #61

Not flamebait - gentle teasing on Ostara. tavalon Apr 2012 #117

I've been mulling over Dawkin's assertion that "the basic theology of Christianity is barking mad" jimlup Apr 2012 #45

Freakin Hillarious Kalidurga Apr 2012 #50

That second panel shows this guy doesn't really understand what he's mocking. rug Apr 2012 #52

So you will, of course, explain it to us, what the REAL meaning of .. SamG Apr 2012 #58

I'll second that... darkstar3 Apr 2012 #62

It's not about displeasure and it's not about having to. rug Apr 2012 #67

You mean Jesus didn't die for our sins? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #69

You were Pentecostal, you can answer that. rug Apr 2012 #71

You're right, I was, and that's how I know you're wrong. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #73

Post the creed, not the nutshell. I'm not interested in your summary. rug Apr 2012 #76

So "for our salvation" has nothing to do with it? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #78

As a matter of fact no, it wasn't necessary. rug Apr 2012 #79

Wait, you're saying that "our salvation", in the creed, was NOT necessary? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #80

Returning to the cartoon you're defending, the Crucifixion was not necessary. rug Apr 2012 #82

And where in the Bible, the Catechism, or any mainstream church teachings do you find that? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #84

Your ignorance is showing. rug Apr 2012 #87

Not true on two counts. The only ignorance here is yours on the topic of "salvation". darkstar3 Apr 2012 #88

I see. You, like the cartoon, believe it was necessary for God, as opposed to, for humanity, to die. rug Apr 2012 #89

And you are avoiding the question. Let's step back and present it properly. What is salvation? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #93

The question was, Did the second panel present an accurate target for mocking? rug Apr 2012 #95

And it is mocking the concept of salvation. That's why you won't talk about it. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #98

Don't forget the lesson skepticscott Apr 2012 #104

Hadn't heard it put that way before. Apropos. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #105

It has no concept of the concept of salvation. rug Apr 2012 #109

LOL. Show me you know what "salvation" means, as a definition and a concept, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #110

Since your grasp of this cartoon is better than your grasp of the Nicene Creed, the effort is futile rug Apr 2012 #111

Here's what you need to know: trotsky Apr 2012 #139

That is a contradictory position. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #140

And that's new for rug? trotsky Apr 2012 #144

Rug does have a point. Mariana Apr 2012 #96

Perhaps, but the second panel recognizes that this would have damned humanity, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #97

Please stop baiting, either give an answer to the question or SamG Apr 2012 #74

If I were baiting, I'd simply cut and paste your post. rug Apr 2012 #77

So your posts are just avoidance and insult, instead. SamG Apr 2012 #83

Not quite. I didn't throw in "mumbo jumbo". rug Apr 2012 #86

You would prefer abracadabra ? SamG Apr 2012 #90

I prefer non-racist terms. rug Apr 2012 #91

In other words, the ORIGIN of the term, dated long before skepticscott Apr 2012 #122

You have a point. One parent was named only Mumbo, the other only Jumbo. rug Apr 2012 #123

Wow, you managed to completely ignore skepticscott Apr 2012 #124

Besides your dismissiveness of racist terms, you have a dismissiveness toward psychiatric patients. rug Apr 2012 #125

Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #128

Read on. rug Apr 2012 #129

But this shows the cartoon quote to be a valid part of Christian discussion muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #130

Read back. rug Apr 2012 #131

Could we receive forgiveness for our sins if Jesus had not been crucified? n/t trotsky Apr 2012 #145

Ask Dawkins. rug Apr 2012 #147

I'm asking you. trotsky Apr 2012 #149

I'm telling you. rug Apr 2012 #150

Dawkins cannot possibly understand your church's particular theology better than you. trotsky Apr 2012 #151

Stepping over a pile of shit, rather than walking through it, is not fear. rug Apr 2012 #152

OK, so I asked him. He was up really early over in the UK and I've got his direct phone number. trotsky Apr 2012 #153

Why do you ask disingenuous questions? rug Apr 2012 #154

The question was amazingly straightforward. Your tapdancing, not so much. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #155

Straightforward and disingenuous. rug Apr 2012 #156

What's disingenuous about it? trotsky Apr 2012 #157

See #156. rug Apr 2012 #158

That doesn't answer my question OR why you think it is disingenuous. trotsky Apr 2012 #159

Why won't you just say it's a sincere question? rug Apr 2012 #161

Why are you assuming it's not? trotsky Apr 2012 #163

It is not an assumption; it's a conclusion drawn from evidence. rug Apr 2012 #165

Why do you find it so hard to just answer? trotsky Apr 2012 #167

Game over. The question's been answered. rug Apr 2012 #168

Wow, a dodge and an insult all wrapped into one. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #169

The belief that mocking will help you get along with someone is a religious belief that baffles me saras Apr 2012 #53

Just why would you place such limits upon who you can "get along with"? SamG Apr 2012 #55

No, fellow Muslim cartoon character, you do not ... SamG Apr 2012 #54

This has been shown as not a reliable bit of information on another thread. Leontius Apr 2012 #70

To, which, of course, you provide no link skepticscott Apr 2012 #72

As far as religious belief goes, links are not needed. SamG Apr 2012 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Leontius Apr 2012 #92

Here Leontius Apr 2012 #94

Well, that was a failure to substantiate on quite a level. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #99

I found post #32 in that thread quite good at pointing out the bs Leontius Apr 2012 #100

You realize you linked to this thread, right? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #101

The link works fine for me Leontius Apr 2012 #102

Well now, that sounds like a bug. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #103

You mean the post from the banned disruptor? trotsky Apr 2012 #160

Muriel Volestrangler Is a banned disruptor? I did not know that, what was the Leontius Apr 2012 #162

I clicked on your link and post #32 is not from muriel? trotsky Apr 2012 #164

Thank you. We Pagans like to be recognized on this holy day as well tavalon Apr 2012 #118

Confused the hell out of me when I was a kid. smokey nj Apr 2012 #136

But I bet you were a smart kid and kept your mouth shut tavalon Apr 2012 #137

Peeps were, and still are, my favorite. smokey nj Apr 2012 #138

Tee hee tavalon Apr 2012 #112

Sex and Omelets :) Marrah_G Apr 2012 #166