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LiberalAndProud

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138. Paul account of Jesus life was second hand.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 06:10 PM
Mar 2015

But I must correct you. If he wrote god's honest truth, he met the resurrected Jesus on the road to Damascus.

I can't prove Jesus existed but I believe he was man and is God. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #1
Well ok that's a position one could have too treestar Mar 2015 #2
Indeed. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #3
Same here. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #6
. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #7
You too my friend. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #8
I do too. I believe it all quite frankly. yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #52
Have a great Holy Week! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #54
You too! Actually can't believe it is here already! yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #67
Always an emotional time. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #69
God blesses sinners, and those who curse you Brettongarcia Apr 2015 #221
Indeed! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #222
cf. Luke 6.28 etc. Brettongarcia Apr 2015 #223
Pray for those who curse you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #224
Oddly Brettongarcia Apr 2015 #237
If he's not a god, he's not the same guy. immoderate Mar 2015 #4
Disagree, he could have existed but not be a god treestar Mar 2015 #5
So there was some guy named Jesus who SAID he was a god... immoderate Mar 2015 #9
Well his name was edhopper Mar 2015 #11
people of that day and in fact many centuries later treestar Mar 2015 #14
Not sure what you meen by pangaia Mar 2015 #176
Actually, everything written about Jesus comes from the Apostles written after his death, still_one Mar 2015 #26
As far as I know nothing in the bible pangaia Mar 2015 #177
I am not even Christian, but wasn't the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, etc. authored by those folks? still_one Mar 2015 #178
No they were not. pangaia Mar 2015 #182
Then that makes them even more subject to error, an is more than just second hand information still_one Mar 2015 #183
Actually, okasha Mar 2015 #189
is that one too many Ms edhopper Mar 2015 #190
It was indeed. okasha Mar 2015 #193
I thought you might have found edhopper Mar 2015 #194
Uh huh. pangaia Mar 2015 #192
Yes, books. Those things you read. okasha Mar 2015 #195
Where do you get the idea that he said he was a god? Starboard Tack Mar 2015 #158
You mean he was the same as everybody else who could walk on water? immoderate Mar 2015 #166
What makes you think that he or anyone can or could walk on water? Starboard Tack Mar 2015 #174
I think you underestimate edhopper Mar 2015 #184
Not really. I know many take the miracles literally Starboard Tack Mar 2015 #185
okay edhopper Mar 2015 #187
We really can't be sure of anything edhopper Mar 2015 #167
Exactly! Starboard Tack Mar 2015 #175
Hmmmm...not sure I agree with that. stone space Mar 2015 #15
Or it could be an example of EUHEMERISM. immoderate Mar 2015 #42
Ah, so now you say he was not a god, but the son of God Starboard Tack Mar 2015 #163
In the three synoptic gospels, okasha Mar 2015 #188
I think that in all four gospels, Jesus calls himself "son of man" struggle4progress Mar 2015 #217
I think Matthew 16 verses 15 thru 20 Leontius Mar 2015 #219
Various appellations occur: "son of man," "son of David," "son of God." But in the gospels struggle4progress Apr 2015 #225
Why would you say that? notadmblnd Mar 2015 #30
Calling himself a Christian edhopper Mar 2015 #34
Indeed. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #40
It would be on a par with God saying he was religious Starboard Tack Mar 2015 #164
God isn't religious edhopper Mar 2015 #165
This reminds me of the barber... stone space Mar 2015 #171
If "Christian" means follower of Christ, I doubt that he'd call himself that. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #100
I don't think there is any edhopper Mar 2015 #10
Yeah, someone could have been executed treestar Mar 2015 #12
The portrayal in popular culture edhopper Mar 2015 #16
Which makes it interesting how the story caught on treestar Mar 2015 #17
I think he caught on edhopper Mar 2015 #18
Who was Helen and what did she do? treestar Mar 2015 #19
Helen was Constantine's mother edhopper Mar 2015 #21
Constantine did not make Christianity the religion of the Empire. Leontius Mar 2015 #169
I said I was being very simplistic edhopper Mar 2015 #173
3 different churches each have three different sites. Viva_Daddy Apr 2015 #229
She discovered the one true cross. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #37
Helen was one of the biggest Rubes of all time edhopper Mar 2015 #38
Do you suppose those folks lived long enough to think, LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #44
No edhopper Mar 2015 #46
I don't think people were that cynical then treestar Mar 2015 #58
I think edhopper Mar 2015 #62
Maybe, but they didn't have the wherewithal treestar Mar 2015 #66
The places Helen deemed edhopper Mar 2015 #70
Either a man was raised from the dead or not. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #105
No, people are not that black and white treestar Mar 2015 #129
I think Jesus was just a good Essene and philosopher. leftofcool Mar 2015 #13
I don't take a position on whether there was a man behind the myth. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #20
The fact that edhopper Mar 2015 #22
I understand your point. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #23
If there was a movement edhopper Mar 2015 #24
Early Jewish christians were not part of the actual Jewish revolt against rome Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #25
Do you think the myth was spun from whole cloth, then? LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #41
You made a specific claim of a "revolutionary grassroots" ideology. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #95
You're entirely right that it's not a claim a can justify. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #98
Most of the christians here claim that they do not take the bible literally. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #106
Mmm. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #108
I note that there is nothing supernatural about crucifixion. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #115
True about the absence of the supernatural. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #117
I Think There are More On the Road Mar 2015 #181
I think edhopper Mar 2015 #111
except when pressed on some of the idiotic details Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #127
I know a couple you can ask upthread. edhopper Mar 2015 #130
It's a myth copied phil89 Apr 2015 #251
Medieval peasants likely believed it all treestar Mar 2015 #51
The linkage of capitalist and protestant ideologies is well established. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #97
To justify, accommodate and encourage enormous disparities. n/t haikugal Mar 2015 #168
If you are a christian believer, you see it one way. cbayer Mar 2015 #27
I haven't seen a debate here, just sharing of diverse opinions. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #29
You haven't looked hard enough edhopper Mar 2015 #31
And this may turn into yet another. cbayer Mar 2015 #35
I find questions about history interesting edhopper Mar 2015 #36
You and many others, cbayer Mar 2015 #39
If it was told by edhopper Mar 2015 #45
Tell him that. cbayer Mar 2015 #47
Yes edhopper Mar 2015 #48
This particular tour guide did not characterize the war as a noble cause cbayer Mar 2015 #53
No, not an assumption edhopper Mar 2015 #60
Where did you grow up? cbayer Mar 2015 #61
Florida edhopper Mar 2015 #63
Ahhh, I get it. cbayer Mar 2015 #68
I was told in 8th grade history edhopper Mar 2015 #73
I totally believe you. cbayer Mar 2015 #77
Well yes edhopper Mar 2015 #81
(aside) My early schooling was in TX. We had Texas history before we had US history classes. pinto Mar 2015 #50
Exactly the opposite of mine and probably equally head spinning. cbayer Mar 2015 #56
Ah Texas edhopper Mar 2015 #57
The Alamo (1836) was before the Civil War. It was part of what's seen in TX as the Texas Revolution. pinto Mar 2015 #84
I was being a little flip edhopper Mar 2015 #89
Eh, you're fine with me. There were lots of opportunists in the mix. pinto Mar 2015 #99
Yeah edhopper Mar 2015 #107
Can you give us a synopsis of the differences between the two accounts? LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #64
I do give some information down thread, but I'm not going to write cbayer Mar 2015 #71
How rarely our accounts of war illustrate the devastation left behind, ever. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #75
Absolutely agree. cbayer Mar 2015 #78
I get a chuckle edhopper Mar 2015 #76
Their distrust of northerners continues. cbayer Mar 2015 #80
I sometimes edhopper Mar 2015 #82
I have a deep love for the south and would never take that position. cbayer Mar 2015 #118
You would visit it edhopper Mar 2015 #123
Lol, that's true, but I tell you what really rankles me about talk of cbayer Mar 2015 #125
My mother had to have her mother-in-law rent a house for the family. My father was stationed in OR pinto Mar 2015 #112
That's exactly how it works. Lack of trust runs deep. cbayer Mar 2015 #119
I wasn't criticizing what was going on here, just putting in my 2 cents about the uselessness cbayer Mar 2015 #33
That's fine. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #43
Then why bother responding bvf Mar 2015 #83
I have to have a dog in the fight to express my opinion? cbayer Mar 2015 #88
I never said he never existed. bvf Mar 2015 #94
"Feel free to carry on with your misrepresentation of others' arguments.That seems to be your style" cbayer Mar 2015 #104
Noted. bvf Mar 2015 #110
It always matters treestar Mar 2015 #55
yes, I believe that religious zealots existed (as they do currently) who were/are not God. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #28
I think someone whom we have named Jesus, but whose real name was probably Cleita Mar 2015 #32
Interesting post. nt raccoon Apr 2015 #250
Sort of a moot point, imo. pinto Mar 2015 #49
Now, I'm going to have to take you to task, because this is a thorn in my side. cbayer Mar 2015 #65
Please find the humor intended here. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #72
It does indeed, but it's not what my friend pinto meant... cbayer Mar 2015 #74
LOL, I saw the discussion somewhere earlier. Now, pinto Mar 2015 #91
I move to table indefinitely. cbayer Mar 2015 #92
I'll second that emotion. pinto Mar 2015 #96
Who gives a shit what the rest of the world uses edhopper Mar 2015 #93
USA!!!! USA!!! USA!!!! cbayer Mar 2015 #101
FUCKEN A!!! edhopper Mar 2015 #103
Two questions that, for me, resolve the question in favor of Jesus's existence. Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #59
I am in the camp edhopper Mar 2015 #79
And I would agree with that gradual invention. Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #121
Thanks edhopper Mar 2015 #122
Your point #1? IphengeniaBlumgarten Mar 2015 #85
We don't have contemporary records for many ancient figures Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #114
It's interesting to me that you find elements of the story convincing because they are in the story. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #87
You could if you wanted, but it wouldn't be convincing unless you had more Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #116
I concede that my summary declarations carry no more or no less weight than yours. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #120
Lots of people were baptized by John, not just Jesus. Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #124
As I have said elsewhere, there is beauty in it. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #126
The principle is this: awkward bits of text are more probative that non-awkward bits struggle4progress Mar 2015 #144
It's problematic for me to accept the Bible as evidence that the Bible is true. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #147
If you actually read what I wrote, you will see that I merely applied rather standard methods struggle4progress Mar 2015 #149
I did read it, and now again. Actually. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #150
Yes, another thought would be edhopper Mar 2015 #148
another thing to consider guillaumeb Mar 2015 #86
Your kidding right. edhopper Mar 2015 #90
no guillaumeb Mar 2015 #102
I was referring to your use of the Koran edhopper Mar 2015 #109
There is no argument that Christians existed. That's well documented. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #113
There are actually two references in Josephus. okasha Mar 2015 #157
And also strange that a man edhopper Mar 2015 #159
There's another way of looking at that. okasha Mar 2015 #161
There was already a Christian movement by that time edhopper Mar 2015 #162
Josephus is second hand testimony Yorktown Mar 2015 #196
This message was self-deleted by its author Yorktown Mar 2015 #197
Josephus was a historian. okasha Mar 2015 #199
Josephus did not quote his sources and waited 20 years to mention Jesus Yorktown Mar 2015 #201
Ancient historians did not name their sources okasha Mar 2015 #203
You made three mistakes here Yorktown Mar 2015 #205
Wrong. Those three mistakes are yours. okasha Mar 2015 #206
No. You demonstrably committed 3 mistakes. Yorktown Mar 2015 #208
Josephus is evidence edhopper Mar 2015 #210
I would add that it further demonstrates okasha Mar 2015 #211
Yes. But Josephus is one evidence religions tamper with truth. Yorktown Mar 2015 #212
Yes edhopper Mar 2015 #213
Ranch dressing, please. okasha Apr 2015 #232
no and no Viva_Daddy Apr 2015 #230
I believe some of it. Promethean Mar 2015 #128
Or stories of several of these men edhopper Mar 2015 #131
Another likely hypothesis. Promethean Mar 2015 #134
I look at as edhopper Mar 2015 #137
I Believe the *Certainty* of Both Sides Comes from General Tribalism, On the Road Mar 2015 #132
Do you wonder why Paul added this? LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #133
I Have Never Heard That Construed in That Way On the Road Mar 2015 #151
And that's the first I've heard of that construction of Paul's ejection from the temple. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #152
We Don't Know of Paul Being Thrown Out of the Temple Itself On the Road Mar 2015 #180
See, all that background only helps to convince me that Paul was the original Christian conman. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #186
Sorry to Miss Your Meaning -- On the Road Mar 2015 #191
The beginning of Galatians okasha Mar 2015 #160
Paul is interesting edhopper Mar 2015 #135
Paul account of Jesus life was second hand. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #138
Well edhopper Mar 2015 #140
I can't say. LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #141
I don't know about Paul edhopper Mar 2015 #146
pssssst... stone space Mar 2015 #153
I'll correct it edhopper Mar 2015 #154
taint no God... pretzel4gore Mar 2015 #136
Yeshua Ben Yosef edhopper Mar 2015 #139
Really? LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #142
heh heh edhopper Mar 2015 #145
That whole Alexandria thing? LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #143
Yeah those thieving Ptolemies have a lot to answer for. Leontius Mar 2015 #170
Honestly, if I could get my hands on them! LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #172
Wandering teacher-healers were part of the cultures in that region for centuries. Aunt Bold Ire8 Mar 2015 #155
Reza Aslan's book ''Zealot'' was helpful in seeing Jesus from a different perspective. YOHABLO Mar 2015 #156
From a textual level, Jesus seems to be a legendary figure, rather than a strict historical one... Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #179
There probably was an Essenian Jew guru named Yeshua/Jesus Yorktown Mar 2015 #198
Good summary edhopper Mar 2015 #200
Thanks for the heads up Yorktown Mar 2015 #202
Jesus and his disciples are CHARACTERS in a DRAMATIC STORY... Viva_Daddy Apr 2015 #231
There must have been some elements of truth Yorktown Apr 2015 #236
It's rare to see a cult spring from nowhere, out of pure imagination. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #238
There were many 'cargo cults', all with a prophet or leader Yorktown Apr 2015 #239
however there was no historical "John Frum" Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #241
True, the names Jesus or John Frum are not sure facts Yorktown Apr 2015 #249
It is questionable if edhopper Apr 2015 #246
I don't know but if he existed then he is dead and buried LostOne4Ever Mar 2015 #204
this brings up an interesting question DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #207
Or edhopper Mar 2015 #209
Good point, but DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #214
True edhopper Mar 2015 #216
There are records of convictions of Joseph Smith Yorktown Apr 2015 #240
Technology reduces the scope of religious fraud, but doesn't cancel out gullibility Yorktown Mar 2015 #215
I think it goes beyond gullibility. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #218
My point was DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #247
There is no evidence the biblical character of Jesus of Nazareth ever existed. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #220
There is some evidence Major Nikon Apr 2015 #233
Maybe I wasn't clear but that's what I meant by specifying AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #242
actually the Josephus references are considered more reliable by far than tacitus Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #243
I'm not sure how Major Nikon Apr 2015 #244
I think edhopper Apr 2015 #245
Talk to an educated Jew sometimes. LongTomH Apr 2015 #226
Not in my Jewish upbringing DavidDvorkin Apr 2015 #228
Not all Jews respect(ed) Jesus Yorktown Apr 2015 #235
Which Jesus are you talking about? nichomachus Apr 2015 #227
Very true, the writers of the gospels injected different inputs Yorktown Apr 2015 #234
You're absolutely right...so show the evidence that he existed... brooklynite Apr 2015 #248
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