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Htom Sirveaux

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10. That's not what I said the claim was.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:44 AM
Apr 2015
The bad stuff done for religious reasons shows that religion is inherently bad, but the good stuff done for religious reasons doesn't count because people would still do good stuff without religion. (emphasis added)


The atheist was arguing that religious motivations for doing good stuff were irrelevant to a discussion of the value of religion, because having religious motivations wasn't necessary to do good.

As for my source, it's here:

Let's allow for the possibility that yes, religion is sometimes responsible for bad behavior, and that without the religious excuse, the behavior might not have happened. It shouldn't be dismissed simply because someone insists "Well that's not what *I* think the religion should be."

For the second part, you'd need to demonstrate that the good behavior could not have happened without religion. I'm applying the same standard to both.


He was not applying the same standard to both, as you can tell just by reading it, and as I immediately pointed out:

In the first, you assume the possibility that religion is causal of bad behavior. In the second, you require demonstration that religion must be causal of good behavior. Either assuming the possibility of both, or requiring demonstration of definite causality in both would be consistent.


So there you go: an atheist mimicking the double standard behavior you just declared "crap" when "defenders of the faith" do it. Crap regardless of which side, right? Because it would be really ironic to employ a double standard while complaining of double standards.

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Haven't hear from him for a long time and glad he is weighing in. cbayer Mar 2015 #1
People seeking anti-gay discrimination ping-pong between.... Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #2
I'm listening to a radio call in show. cbayer Mar 2015 #7
BULLSHIT. Look at this fucking photo and tell me it has nothing to do with religion. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #3
Frank Dreblin looks alive and well. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #4
No kidding! Where does anyone think the bigotry comes from? skepticscott Mar 2015 #5
this is hedbo-ism all over again Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #6
I've seen at least one atheist do exactly the same in reverse. Htom Sirveaux Mar 2015 #8
I've not seen that. Perhaps you might want to link to atheist claiming that Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #9
That's not what I said the claim was. Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #10
Nice try, but the standard IS the same skepticscott Apr 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #12
I already laid out in the above post why there was a double standard, and what a consistent standard Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #13
Can I ask a simple question? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #14
Warren identified double standards that put religion in a positive light Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #16
You may want to go back and re-read what he said. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #20
True, but if he's judging religion by a standard that his opposition to religion Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #21
Sorry…another fail skepticscott Apr 2015 #15
How would I know? Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #17
It is duly noted skepticscott Apr 2015 #18
"I don't know" is not a dodge. Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #19
I consider the conversation between us finished. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #22
tell it to these assholes. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #23
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