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gcomeau

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2. Entire argument rests on the (incorrect) premise...

Reply to Htom Sirveaux (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:31 PM

Apr 2015

"We all benefit when someone is relatively stable and happy, and has a sense of dignity, meaning, connection, purpose, and support."

That there are not other means of achieving this that do not also come with the negative tradeoff of the rationality-corroding effect religion has on people.

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"What good is religion, anyway?" (by Domyo Burk, a Zen priest) [View all] Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 OP

http://oldcatman-xxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/article-2434992-1851854800000578-948_634x436.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #1

Entire argument rests on the (incorrect) premise... gcomeau Apr 2015 #2

Except he never says that there aren't other means of achieving this. cbayer Apr 2015 #3

You should really direct your criticism at the author. trotsky Apr 2015 #5

Sigh. gcomeau Apr 2015 #6

Exactly. He said some people need it and some people don't. cbayer Apr 2015 #7

And if he wasn't relying on the premise... gcomeau Apr 2015 #9

See, that's not the way I read it at all. cbayer Apr 2015 #10

It's a basic logical truth. gcomeau Apr 2015 #11

What is the basic logical truth? cbayer Apr 2015 #12

That. Thing. I. Said. gcomeau Apr 2015 #13

And that is exactly my point. cbayer Apr 2015 #14

And it was exactly my point first. gcomeau Apr 2015 #16

So are you making the claim that there are other options available to him that would work for him? cbayer Apr 2015 #17

It's fairly easy to know that. gcomeau Apr 2015 #18

So the only path you think is reasonable is the one that works for you? cbayer Apr 2015 #19

I said nothing of the kind. gcomeau Apr 2015 #20

And atheism wouldn't work for him. cbayer Apr 2015 #21

Of course it wouldn't. gcomeau Apr 2015 #22

Let me know when DU has a group devoted to not stamp collecting and when there are numerous cbayer Apr 2015 #23

Let me know... gcomeau Apr 2015 #24

Oh, but there is. They seem to enjoy complaining about stamps. rug Apr 2015 #25

Ah, my eyes!!! Make it stop. cbayer Apr 2015 #26

I had heard about these but I didn't believe it until I just saw it. rug Apr 2015 #27

The stamp collecting meme lost it's luster quite a bit ago. cbayer Apr 2015 #28

It doesn't stick anymore. rug Apr 2015 #29

It also ignores the data points of those who... trotsky Apr 2015 #4

Oh, wait, except that's not what he said. rug Apr 2015 #8

And you've responded with a false dichotomy. Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #30

I have yet to encounter a religion that isn't. gcomeau Apr 2015 #36

Religion has been good for me. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #15

This is one of those arguments that frightens me, are religious people this...deranged? Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #31

Were you involved with religion at one point? Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #32

I was raised Catholic, and I will give them credit where its due... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #33

Thank you for sharing that. Htom Sirveaux Apr 2015 #34

You have to understand that a lot of things occured concurrently that caused my doubt, and... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #35