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Bill Maher’s bigoted atheism: His arrogant shtick is just as ugly as religious intolerance [View all] cbayer Apr 2015 OP

Going to see his stand-up in August underpants Apr 2015 #1

I liked him once upon a time, but I can think of at least a dozen comics I would rather see do stand cbayer Apr 2015 #5

I envy you. phil89 Apr 2015 #21

Really funny live.... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #33

He is arrogant and often criticizes his own audience for not getting the joke or NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #53

Bill Maher is one of the dwindling few that tells it like it is Joe Turner Apr 2015 #78

... trotsky Apr 2015 #2

Ah, he hasn't beheaded anyone. Therefore he's not a bigot. rug Apr 2015 #42

OK, so what is any different from clydefrand Apr 2015 #3

Because he is not just speaking out for atheism. cbayer Apr 2015 #4

I think there are angry atheist fundamentalist safeinOhio Apr 2015 #10

I think the author clearly agrees with you and I think she cbayer Apr 2015 #17

I'd rather be on the side safeinOhio Apr 2015 #22

Ethical Culture is a good place to be cbayer Apr 2015 #23

There is no such thing as an atheist fundamentalist... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #34

I would say, anyone with a safeinOhio Apr 2015 #70

Atheism is the lack of beliefs. PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #75

Atheism is most certainly NOT a lack of beliefs. stone space Apr 2015 #109

You are, absolutely, unequivocally 100% wrong. PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #122

So I'm not an atheist if believe there is no God? stone space Apr 2015 #133

Atheism is specifically the lack of belief in god(s). cbayer Apr 2015 #112

You mean like religions do? PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #123

Yes, just like some religious people do. cbayer Apr 2015 #125

"I'm agnostic, I neither believer (sis) nor disbelieve. I am neutral.." PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #127

Are you calling me a liar? BTW, it's (sic) not (sis), but we all make typos. cbayer Apr 2015 #129

Where did I call you a liar? PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #148

" I'd argue that looking at your posts this is not quite accurate." cbayer Apr 2015 #149

"poutrage" is word that justifies immediate ignore-listing carolinayellowdog Apr 2015 #219

And i always appreciate your view cbayer! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #161

Just provide evidence phil89 Apr 2015 #131

I have no evidence for a god or gods. OTOH, if you can provide evidence cbayer Apr 2015 #132

You cannot prove a negative. PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #150

Obtuse? Tiring? You just can't help yourself, can you? cbayer Apr 2015 #151

But we're not talking about a petri dish are we? PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #153

No we are talking about proving a negative. I have zero interest in proving god exists cbayer Apr 2015 #155

I agree. bvar22 Apr 2015 #51

When militant atheists fly two planes into buildings skepticscott Apr 2015 #79

Can I bring up the militant atheist safeinOhio Apr 2015 #82

Neither were doing what they did skepticscott Apr 2015 #86

About as often as safeinOhio Apr 2015 #88

Are you a Christian? n/t trotsky Apr 2015 #99

No safeinOhio Apr 2015 #101

Do you think there are any verses in the bible that aren't good moral advice? n/t trotsky Apr 2015 #104

Yes, safeinOhio Apr 2015 #106

They are very important to other people though, aren't they? trotsky Apr 2015 #126

Oh, so ISIS is only skepticscott Apr 2015 #102

I was lucky enough to spend 30 years safeinOhio Apr 2015 #107

I see you've stopped trying to answer the actual points I'm raising skepticscott Apr 2015 #134

You might find it amazing, but safeinOhio Apr 2015 #142

Nice that you're still avoiding any of the points I've raised skepticscott Apr 2015 #157

Now hang on a minute..the Charlie Hebdo attacks had absolutely nothing to do with religion... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #124

Not only did they have nothing to do with religion... trotsky Apr 2015 #128

You're really jonesing to have it both ways, aren't you. rug Apr 2015 #103

Black and white thinking safeinOhio Apr 2015 #108

More importantly, you do it without lacing your posts with personal attacks. rug Apr 2015 #110

I most likely do safeinOhio Apr 2015 #119

Nice try skepticscott Apr 2015 #138

You repeat yourself. rug Apr 2015 #167

The same thing that motivated skepticscott Apr 2015 #181

Ah, let's be clear. You're saying his "atheism had nothing to do with it." rug Apr 2015 #183

He missed you terribly. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #185

He never left. rug Apr 2015 #195

If you want to know what I said skepticscott Apr 2015 #187

It must be rather boring not responding to rug. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #196

It hardly takes more than one read to read you. rug Apr 2015 #197

Do tell him I still love him. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #199

No, he doesn't. rug Apr 2015 #200

All I want is a simple hello from my old pal. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #201

There, there. rug Apr 2015 #203

I will just have to pick up the pieces of my life and move on. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #204

Hey Scott! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #170

Historically, Militant Athiests have done far, FAR worse. bvar22 Apr 2015 #159

So have people with dark hair. skepticscott Apr 2015 #182

Screaming "Budda(sic)?".. really? pangaia Apr 2015 #57

Bill Maher can be very dismissive! Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #6

I think the movie is where he figured out that he could make a career out of attacking cbayer Apr 2015 #9

Seems you missed the entire point of the movie... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #26

Please enlighten me on the entire point of the movie and, if you would, please refrain from cbayer Apr 2015 #29

Watch it again, and you should be able to see it... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #31

I've seen it and come to my own conclusions. If yours are different, I ask that you share them. cbayer Apr 2015 #35

How is that a personal insult? PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #40

It's so ingrained I bet half the time they dont realize it. rug Apr 2015 #43

The irony is truly stunning at times. cbayer Apr 2015 #45

You still haven't shown me how it was a PERSONAL insult.... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #76

I agree with Zakaria edhopper Apr 2015 #7

It seems very clear that Maher doesn't want muslims on his side. cbayer Apr 2015 #12

No. He's making a career out of being a comedian. PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #32

He does do standup, but that's only part of his career. cbayer Apr 2015 #37

I've seen plenty of stand-up...it is definitely his bread and butter... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #39

So does Dennis Miller. rug Apr 2015 #44

Miller does stand up edhopper Apr 2015 #61

No. He's like a guy muttering and chuckling to himself in a dark corner of a train terminal. rug Apr 2015 #62

i saw his HBO special edhopper Apr 2015 #71

I have seen his show only maybe 7-8 times pangaia Apr 2015 #58

Amazing how a comedian gets roundly condemned for criticizing a religion... trotsky Apr 2015 #98

Let me know when Francis has an HBO special. rug Apr 2015 #105

Ah, I see, if you're the head of a church bigotry it's okay... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #114

No, but comparing the two positions is an exercise in stupidity. rug Apr 2015 #115

Then what was the point of your comparison? PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #116

It was trotsky's. rug Apr 2015 #117

You said "Let me know when Francis has an HBO special".. PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #118

Following his comparison of Maher to the Pope. rug Apr 2015 #120

So your comparison wasn't an exercise in stupidity... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #121

What was that? rug Apr 2015 #202

Now you're simply adopting a stupid analogy as your own. rug Apr 2015 #169

Let me know when Francis has an HBO special. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #130

Are you saying Catholics are sheep or that Vatican City is larger than advertised? rug Apr 2015 #168

You asked a very good question Yorktown Apr 2015 #189

Organized religion does this ALL the time Politicalboi Apr 2015 #8

Clearly there are bigots within organized religion and the author doesn't diminish cbayer Apr 2015 #14

Yeah, simply not watching is a good choice. Yet the words are out there. That matters, imo. pinto Apr 2015 #18

I side with Bill on this one. SamKnause Apr 2015 #11

What exactly do you side with him on? cbayer Apr 2015 #15

Me too... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #27

Who would listen? Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #36

This particular bumper-sticker from the Fox News vault LTX Apr 2015 #84

+1 cbayer Apr 2015 #94

I'm confused. Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #192

My response was to post #27, not to your post. LTX Apr 2015 #209

I did Google "Muslim leaders condemn" Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #211

+1 Good read. Fareed is an excellent debater, imo. Regardless of political points of view or such. pinto Apr 2015 #13

Agree. I think she did a great job here of stating why this is wrong. cbayer Apr 2015 #16

GPS is Zakaria's cable show on CNN. "Global Public Square". pinto Apr 2015 #19

Not familiar with it….. cbayer Apr 2015 #20

Yes. bravenak Apr 2015 #24

Hmm lets see if we can put this one into perspective. Promethean Apr 2015 #25

I think there is a distinct difference between being a republican and being a muslim. Let's try this cbayer Apr 2015 #28

Pitiful analogy fail, cbayer. Homosexuality isn't a set of ideas. Religion is. Republicanism is. trotsky Apr 2015 #30

That doesn't even come close to being the same... PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #38

I disagree with you. Could you choose to be a believer? cbayer Apr 2015 #41

Absolutely. People do it all the time. Isn't that the point of preaching? PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #74

Could you choose to be a believer? Right now? cbayer Apr 2015 #92

On demand? Probably not. trotsky Apr 2015 #95

Atheists could in theory choose to be a believer Alittleliberal Apr 2015 #77

I don't think an atheists could choose to be a believer anymore than a believer could choose to be cbayer Apr 2015 #91

Excellent post, and you are correct. trotsky Apr 2015 #96

Let's talk about choice. I could choose to 'play it straight'. I could choose to 'play believer'. pinto Apr 2015 #136

Anybody can do anything in theory. Practice is a little different, however. stone space Apr 2015 #144

Absolutely. I was brought up a christian but I now choose to believe that is all concoted.. PoutrageFatigue Apr 2015 #152

You choose your religion like you choose your nationality. stone space Apr 2015 #135

Can one choose whether or not to believe homosexuality is a sin? n/t trotsky Apr 2015 #166

No, nations only allow a small number of people to join them muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #222

Homosexuality doesn't have an innate ideology and isn't defined by one. Promethean Apr 2015 #81

I'm not sure that belief in a god has an innate ideology. cbayer Apr 2015 #93

Ironically, your 1st paragraph could come either from a Republican or a Muslim muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #221

Bill Maher is not worth watching anymore. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #46

He's become addicted to controversy and has to keep upping the ante cbayer Apr 2015 #47

He can go on all he wants but he won't get ratings from me. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #48

He has defined his audience and they will continue to support him. cbayer Apr 2015 #50

Oh he's plenty funny... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #163

Did you see his last hbo special? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #164

Yes. Bloody funny! truebrit71 Apr 2015 #177

I thought it was rather bland. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #178

Yup. Love all of his stuff. truebrit71 Apr 2015 #179

Ok. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #180

"based on the extreme actions of a few" Cartoonist Apr 2015 #49

What percentage of the world's muslim population are members of ISIS? cbayer Apr 2015 #52

How many of those Muslims Cartoonist Apr 2015 #55

But the article is about the number of people committing atrocities. cbayer Apr 2015 #56

ISIS has killed almost 10,000 Muslims Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #64

And perhaps you are right. Do you think there are muslims that watch this on their tv and cheer? cbayer Apr 2015 #68

I don't think there are Muslims cheering Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #72

I agree with you. Labels are very much an illusion. Welcome to DU and to the religion group. cbayer Apr 2015 #90

"Labels are very much an illusion." trotsky Apr 2015 #97

And your "guesses" would be wrong. LTX Apr 2015 #85

I only made ONE guess Cartoonist Apr 2015 #100

Have you "taken up arms" against ISIS? stone space Apr 2015 #145

I'm not a Muslim. Cartoonist Apr 2015 #160

What does your religion have to do with it? stone space Apr 2015 #165

I will repeat myself Cartoonist Apr 2015 #191

I'm questioning YOUR resolve. stone space Apr 2015 #207

? Cartoonist Apr 2015 #213

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #214

I'm questioning YOUR authenticity. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #215

They've chosen to worship the Gods of the Civil Religion. stone space Apr 2015 #137

wahhhh, why won't he respect our superstitions and magical thinking? mike_c Apr 2015 #54

Is that your takeaway from the article? cbayer Apr 2015 #59

What spiritual values are worth respecting on their own? What ideas are worth respecting just for... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #60

Don't you think that everyone's beliefs Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #65

The only thing I respect is everyone's rights to hold ideas and beliefs, and even articulate them... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #66

Sometimes people scrutinize only to discredit. Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #73

Depends on what the belief is, I generally find unsupported beliefs to be unsupported... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #80

Agreed! Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #87

Does this apply to everyone? Like the KKK? LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #83

See my post "sometimes people scrutinize.." Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #89

What I find interesting is what she labels as bigotry isn't, and then failed to mention Maher's... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #63

It's somewhat amusing that Maher claimed Zakaria was insulting him. Jim__ Apr 2015 #67

He objects to being accused of doing this for applause lines? cbayer Apr 2015 #69

The same people .... Trajan Apr 2015 #111

DU's theological police? You mean people with opinions that differ from your own? cbayer Apr 2015 #113

Maher seems to share an apocalyptic point of view with some religious extremists. pinto Apr 2015 #139

As the headline notes, I think it's a schtick at this point. cbayer Apr 2015 #140

Yeah, schtick is apt. pinto Apr 2015 #143

Hmmm nil desperandum Apr 2015 #141

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. cbayer Apr 2015 #146

Walking the line nil desperandum Apr 2015 #154

Regarding your comments about people who don't believe every word Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #193

Actually, absence of evidence IS evidence of absence skepticscott Apr 2015 #206

Quite a bit of overstatement there. LTX Apr 2015 #216

Not at all skepticscott Apr 2015 #217

What you said: LTX Apr 2015 #218

When you have an actual understanding of how science works skepticscott Apr 2015 #220

Thanks for your comments. I'll meet you here - fundamentalists are a roadblock not a path. pinto Apr 2015 #147

If this was Mormonism Bill was attacking or mr_liberal Apr 2015 #156

Sorry. deathrind Apr 2015 #158

More privileged bullshit from believers... MellowDem Apr 2015 #162

Well said. n/t trotsky Apr 2015 #171

Whenever a posts start with "What the column is ultimately saying, and what Fareed is saying, is .." rug Apr 2015 #172

He didn't write this, he spoke... MellowDem Apr 2015 #173

His thoughts are well-framed and well-communicated. rug Apr 2015 #174

That is what he said... MellowDem Apr 2015 #175

No, that is not what he said. What he said is at the link. rug Apr 2015 #176

So you can't tell me what he said... MellowDem Apr 2015 #184

What he said is plain. rug Apr 2015 #198

It's so plain that you can't say... MellowDem Apr 2015 #210

Is there something about a "completely useless exchange" you fail to grasp? rug Apr 2015 #212

This Salon article totally misses the point Yorktown Apr 2015 #186

Your post title could apply skepticscott Apr 2015 #188

True. Salon execs themselves say they are a tabloid Yorktown Apr 2015 #190

It's like TED in print. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #208

And that's from the Pew poll that Zakaria brushes aside (see clip in #67) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #223

... pinto Apr 2015 #194

Even when I agree with Maher on some issues... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #205

I thought about posting this, Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #224

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here, Jamaal510. cbayer Apr 2015 #225

I guess it's wrong to criticize the execution of homosexuals, unless the religious justification... arcane1 Apr 2015 #226

It's very right to criticize the execution of homosexuals. Where do you see a statement cbayer Apr 2015 #227

Because criticizing that belief system gets called "bigotry" for some reason. arcane1 Apr 2015 #228

Where have your ever seen criticism of religious persecution of homosexuality called bigotry? cbayer Apr 2015 #229