In 1585, Tommaso Laureti completed his "Triumph of Christianity" fresco. (Reply #78)

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Sun Apr 19, 2015, 08:54 PM

John1956PA (2,457 posts)

78. In 1585, Tommaso Laureti completed his "Triumph of Christianity" fresco.

That fresco is the centerpiece of the images on the ceiling of the Raphael Room of the Papal Palace. The fresco suggests that Constantine ordered the destruction of pagan statures. However, in reality, Constantine was tolerant of them. The destruction of the pagan statues was accomplished by Christians operating pursuant to their own agenda.

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142 replies	Author	Time	Post
Should the Catholic Church Acknowledge the Destruction of Classical Pagan Culture? [View all]	trotsky	Apr 2015	OP
They do admit it and are proud of it. I went to Catholic school	Cleita	Apr 2015	#1
Interesting indeed.	Smarmie Doofus	Apr 2015	#2
They can start by apologizing for destroying pagan civilizations period.	AtheistCrusader	Apr 2015	#3
There's something to be said in favor of intellectual integrity and careful historical work	struggle4progress	Apr 2015	#4
almost all of the Mayan libraries were destroyed	central scrutinizer	Apr 2015	#5
And what about the missionaries	edhopper	Apr 2015	#6
Oh please,	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#7
You're right. The Iberian monarchs funded armed fleets to bring back rare woods for rosaries.	rug	Apr 2015	#9
And that is why	edhopper	Apr 2015	#14
No, they were burned to complete the conquest.	rug	Apr 2015	#15
sorry	edhopper	Apr 2015	#19
Knows a hell of a lot more than you, Toons,	okasha	Apr 2015	#21
LMFAO	trotsky	Apr 2015	#28
There are rallies this week observing the centenary of the Armenian genocide.	rug	Apr 2015	#38
I see that Toons has gone into hiding.	okasha	Apr 2015	#46
It won't be the last time.	rug	Apr 2015	#47
Jeez, can't I work for a living?	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#48
You seemed to be able to post in other threads.	okasha	Apr 2015	#49
You can keep it	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#50
You actually know more about this issue than my s/o who is part Native American.	beam me up scottie	Apr 2015	#51
I've learned a lot in this thread.	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#52
I did too.	beam me up scottie	Apr 2015	#53
And did you notice Okasha's little dodge	skepticscott	Apr 2015	#56
South America got absolutely steamrolled by Christians.	AtheistCrusader	Apr 2015	#58
Pay attention, Toons.	okasha	Apr 2015	#61
Your assumption that whites can only know about Native Americans from Wikipedia	skepticscott	Apr 2015	#62
Intermarried?	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#63
Mestozo/a men and women have been getting married	okasha	Apr 2015	#64
You got me for one last word	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#65
I do think the Gold Rush occurred in 1848, not 1948.	okasha	Apr 2015	#66
The broad brush assumption by you	skepticscott	Apr 2015	#55
Ah, the voice of dispassionate reason and cool logic has weighed in.	rug	Apr 2015	#57
Unopposed by facts, reason, argument	skepticscott	Apr 2015	#59
No Caps, Exclamations or smileys there.	rug	Apr 2015	#60
And those few who remained were converted.	LiberalAndProud	Apr 2015	#106
The old ways were kept in secret.	okasha	Apr 2015	#107
The biggest harm was done when it adopted the imperial pagan culture.	rug	Apr 2015	#8
Are you taking about the Romans or the RCC?	Goblinmonger	Apr 2015	#12
!	beam me up scottie	Apr 2015	#13
So, bmus, what part of the Roman Empire do you want to resurrect?	rug	Apr 2015	#17
But you	phil89	Apr 2015	#31
You know, phil, yor parroting the phrase "a book of atrocity and genocide" hardly makes it so.	rug	Apr 2015	#34
Eh, the only way the meek are going to get anything at all is inherit it	Fumesucker	Apr 2015	#45
... Praei/j ... means “mild”, “gentle”, “kind”, “forgiving”. It can also suggest passive resistance	struggle4progress	Apr 2015	#104
That's quite a bowl of cherries you picked.	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#67
If you use the plural "we", kindly read the roster so everyone knows who you speak for.	rug	Apr 2015	#68
Everyone but the cherry pickers.	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#69
I see. The iimaginary cheering horde in your thoughts.	rug	Apr 2015	#70
What it is.	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#71
As a matter of fact I have read all of its 73 books.	rug	Apr 2015	#72
Gross ignorance can be excused and corrected	Leontius	Apr 2015	#73
So what do you do	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#75
First, I keep reading.	rug	Apr 2015	#77
Who to believe?	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#80
Interesting you cited the Pope's condemnation of slavery.	rug	Apr 2015	#81
I'm still waiting for Pope Frank to denounce Leviticus	Cartoonist	Apr 2015	#82
Leviticus 19:18	struggle4progress	Apr 2015	#105
Reigning monarch?	okasha	Apr 2015	#74
Work on your syntax.	rug	Apr 2015	#16
....	Goblinmonger	Apr 2015	#25
And your rhetoric.	rug	Apr 2015	#35
How about crucifixion?	okasha	Apr 2015	#20
.......	Goblinmonger	Apr 2015	#30
Burning people alive seems to have been a popular past-time in many cultures	struggle4progress	Apr 2015	#44
She's not a classicist.	okasha	Apr 2015	#22
Thanks. I thoght "Relationship Author-Expert & Classicist" was an odd combo.	rug	Apr 2015	#36
I've never heard the Iconoclasts mentioned in the destruction of Classical art before.	Leontius	Apr 2015	#39
Gods that embody human traits?	Fumesucker	Apr 2015	#24
You are more likely describing a god made in the image of man.	rug	Apr 2015	#37
Which is what the Christian God is, yes...	Fumesucker	Apr 2015	#40
Afraid not. Humans have yet to accept, let alone consistently practice, love your neighbor.	rug	Apr 2015	#41
I'm reminded of the parable of the Good Samaritan	Fumesucker	Apr 2015	#42
Exactly. You don't have to look far to see nothing will change ntil we realize we are all neighbors.	rug	Apr 2015	#43
Wait, and your God has consistently practiced this? Where is this written?	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#110
Pay attention.	rug	Apr 2015	#111
Where is your evidence for this? I strongly doubt that Yahweh/Jesus were the only...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#114
You're still not paying attention.	rug	Apr 2015	#116
So its, do as I say, not as I do? Why is this god worthy of worship again? n/t	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#118
If you're still on the same topic, God does not need a commandment to love.	rug	Apr 2015	#121
How is god an emotion? That makes no sense. n/t	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#125
You can say "life" but that is als limited.	rug	Apr 2015	#127
"Gods that embody human traits?" Like Yahweh?	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#109
There is nothing human about Yahweh.	rug	Apr 2015	#112
Well, for one, he's very emotional, for example, jealously, which makes no sense...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#115
The accounts you refer to are human renderings of an ineffable entity.	rug	Apr 2015	#117
I'm assuming you are Christian, so what other source do you use?	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#119
More specifically, Catholic.	rug	Apr 2015	#120
Again, that "Sacred Scripture" isn't so reliable, so having it intertwined with revelation...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#122
If you take it as literal narration, it's highly unreliable.	rug	Apr 2015	#123
What does "Sheer awareness" or "Sheer existence" even mean?	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#124
Consciousness, self-awareness.	rug	Apr 2015	#126
So you need to be	phil89	Apr 2015	#128
You may believe education is being "told what to think".	rug	Apr 2015	#129
I feel as if we are simply talking past each other, and going around in circles...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#130
It would be foolish to read Beowulf without scholarly commentary.	rug	Apr 2015	#132
That's not the issue, if we treated the Bible like Beowulf, I wouldn't have an issue...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#133
No, the is a big part of the issue.	rug	Apr 2015	#134
What message? What are you talking about?	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#135
Do you think the Bible has a message?	rug	Apr 2015	#136
Not a consistent message, no, the Bible is a collection of related stories, legends, myths...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#137
You're getting closer to understanding but still a way to go.	Leontius	Apr 2015	#138
That's where the scholarship comes in.	rug	Apr 2015	#139
Most of the scholarship I've seen, and yes much of it I sourced(from memory) in my post...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#140
It is a daunting task.	rug	Apr 2015	#141
You are basically justifying confirmation bias, is anyone concerned about what actually...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2015	#142
for this reason, among others, the RCC	Lordquinton	Apr 2015	#10
I'm not sure which is most laughable the article itself	Leontius	Apr 2015	#11
I'd say the latter.	rug	Apr 2015	#18
Definitely the latter.	okasha	Apr 2015	#23
I can't help but still be amazed how gullible and willfully ignorant these people are.	Leontius	Apr 2015	#32
Thank you for your post, Leontius.	trotsky	Apr 2015	#27
And for showing us there's a one-sentence hit-and-run reply for any topic.	Act_of_Reparation	Apr 2015	#33
Deja Vu	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Apr 2015	#26
They'd do it again the first chance they got	mwrguy	Apr 2015	#29
I can't see a difference between them	xfundy	Apr 2015	#54
The OP author is a top-selling relationship author! And couples mediator!	kwassa	Apr 2015	#76
Any facts in the article you'd like to dispute, kwassa?	trotsky	Apr 2015	#83
Do you always argue with yourself?	kwassa	Apr 2015	#87
Please, kwassa, there is no need to engage in such nasty behavior.	trotsky	Apr 2015	#88
You're projecting again. You really need to stop.	kwassa	Apr 2015	#89
Alright, if you say so.	trotsky	Apr 2015	#91
Never said that either.	kwassa	Apr 2015	#98
Influenced? LOL	trotsky	Apr 2015	#100
She couldn't be bothered with research on the subject. Vestals married to Rome, really.	Leontius	Apr 2015	#103
In 1585, Tommaso Laureti completed his "Triumph of Christianity" fresco.	John1956PA	Apr 2015	#78
WORLD PAGAN LEADERS ADDRESS THE POPE	beam me up scottie	Apr 2015	#79
Fascinating how modern-day Christians react with hate and spittle to this history. n/t	trotsky	Apr 2015	#84
People often hate the ones they hurt.	Act_of_Reparation	Apr 2015	#85
And they defend the ones	skepticscott	Apr 2015	#86
Denial, deflection and disruption.	beam me up scottie	Apr 2015	#90
But you do it so well almost, dare I say an artform.	Leontius	Apr 2015	#92
And right on cue.	beam me up scottie	Apr 2015	#93
If you guys don't want to be called on whinny petty little bullshit	Leontius	Apr 2015	#94
The destruction of pagan culture is whinny(sic) petty little bullshit?	beam me up scottie	Apr 2015	#95
Yes you did all three in one post.	Leontius	Apr 2015	#96
More deflection.	beam me up scottie	Apr 2015	#97
Your lack of reading comprehension doesn't anger me	Leontius	Apr 2015	#99
I for one am glad Leontius is here to remind us what True Christian behavior is all about. n/t	trotsky	Apr 2015	#102
I'm glad he's here to point out hypocritical behavior.	rug	Apr 2015	#113
The (Pagan) History of Christmas	HockeyMom	Apr 2015	#101
That account contains some curious garblings. It is, of course, quite likely	struggle4progress	Apr 2015	#108
The notion that there was one definite "Classical Pagan Culture" is somewhat odd	struggle4progress	Apr 2015	#131

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