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Goblinmonger

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38. How much is enough to be counterproductive, then?

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 03:39 PM

Apr 2015

If every single liberal Catholic that supports same-sex marriage, stopped giving money to the RCC and gave it to a secular charity that helped the poor, how much of an impact would that have on the RCC and their ability to keep SSM illegal? Wouldn't that be more productive?

And it isn't surprising that once somebody actually brought you back on track to the topic you didn't want to discuss, you lose interest. You are far more transparent than you think you are.

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Religious Leaders On Same-Sex Marriage: �No One View Speaks For �Religion�� [View all] rug Apr 2015 OP

Glad to see the pushback and particularly glad that it is getting some press attention. cbayer Apr 2015 #1

Good nil desperandum Apr 2015 #2

Agree about the FRC and WBC. Birds of a feather. cbayer Apr 2015 #4

How many people are we actually talking here? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #3

The polls you cite give an indication of how many. rug Apr 2015 #5

My point is AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #6

A rather naive political point. rug Apr 2015 #7

Does na�ve mean 'accurate' in rugspeak? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #8

No. It means as uniformed and clueless as a newborn. rug Apr 2015 #9

Feel free to demonstrate how it is not the case then. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #10

No, I don't think I will. rug Apr 2015 #11

No there isn't. You just don't like the analogy. I can offer others. You'll like them less. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #12

I know you're an avid gun supporter. rug Apr 2015 #13

You don't know shit. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #14

Having read your posts, I disagree. rug Apr 2015 #15

Then you might want to work on your reading comprehension. Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #16

I was referring to knowing shit. rug Apr 2015 #18

Do you even know what the discussion is at this point? Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #21

I doubt you do. rug Apr 2015 #23

No, I do. Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #31

Frankly, gm, nothing you post confuses me. rug Apr 2015 #33

Who cares? Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #35

With that, my interest in your thoughts has dropped to less than zero. rug Apr 2015 #36

How much is enough to be counterproductive, then? Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #38

Speaking of reading comprehension, read my previous reply to you. rug Apr 2015 #44

So you don't want to answer the inital question? Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #46

I only answer someone who cares. rug Apr 2015 #59

That would be massively effective, because they would lose a revenue stream that must be AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #60

Before you determine what the mass is, you'd better know the actual revenue flo first. rug Apr 2015 #67

Pinning down the finances of even just the american arm of the RCC is notoriously difficult. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #71

Do you have an urge to waterboard? rug Apr 2015 #92

I have an urge to know the truth. Especially since it is directly relevant to your casual dismissal AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #96

I said "Bullshit", not "'money doesn't get shuffled around like that'". rug Apr 2015 #104

You said AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #106

Except it doesn't. rug Apr 2015 #108

You say that, but there are ample allegations in credible news sources that this is not the case AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #109

The question was not whether there are suspicious financial practices. rug Apr 2015 #112

I'm aware there's a common admonition not to politicize things like tithing. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #122

Since the RCC doesn't practice tithing, apparently not. rug Apr 2015 #124

Better tell these guys to get rid of that tithing application. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #125

There's nothing in there about tithing. rug Apr 2015 #126

Its there on the site. bing shows the preview. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #127

Here's a link to their tithing application. Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #128

Money flows both ways. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #57

I suggest you dig in and see exactly where the money comes from and where it goes. rug Apr 2015 #62

These numbers are incomplete, or money is being shuttled around. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #72

Hang on now. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #55

Simple. The RCC is not a one issue entity. rug Apr 2015 #56

How many issues is it, then? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #58

Quite a few, actually. rug Apr 2015 #61

If you are going to include issues like charity, then the NRA is a multiple issue AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #70

That's cheap shit, rug. Dropping an accusation like that without a scrap of evidence. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #17

I don't read facebook or have a facebook account. rug Apr 2015 #19

Define 'gun rights'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #24

You know more about the NRA definition than I do. rug Apr 2015 #25

I do not support the NRA's definition of 'gun rights'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #26

Links? Curmudgeoness Apr 2015 #20

Easy enough to do a search. Look right up there in the corner Curmudgeoness. rug Apr 2015 #22

"atheistcrusader nra site:democraticunderground.com" AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #28

Post 12. rug Apr 2015 #30

If you look at it through a straw and ignore all the other shit I said in that post, no. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #32

Well, then, let's see from you a "favorable data point" of the RCC. rug Apr 2015 #34

Post 24. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #37

That's a ephemism for privilege. rug Apr 2015 #45

So, excommunicated members of the church only give up privilege? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #48

Who's excommnicated? Certainly not the people in the picture. rug Apr 2015 #65

Will you champion this poor man's loss of privelige? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #50

That's a Pentecostal magzine which is, mildly, displeaed with the RCC. rug Apr 2015 #66

Archbishop Hart stated it was because he supported ordination of women. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #73

There are many Catholics and clergy who spport ordination of women who are not excommnicated. rug Apr 2015 #87

He doesn't believe he left. And I think it's interesting that the explanation there AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #91

Martin Lther went to his death believing he was still a Catholic. rug Apr 2015 #94

Yet, the story claims the dog thing wasn't him, despite your finger pointing. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #98

You're stretching the point. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #75

It was mch more than that. rug Apr 2015 #83

The archbishop that dismissed him specified his support for the ordination of women. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #86

See 87. rug Apr 2015 #88

A point I already refuted, and used your own link to do so. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #110

I did, and you didn't. rug Apr 2015 #111

Might want to read it again. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #123

Here's a classic. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #39

Did your search find this thread? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #40

I did find this (via yor link). rug Apr 2015 #43

For 2 years, somewhere around 2002-2003. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #47

I didn't address that last sentence. Might have been below the fold on my screen at the time. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #49

Here's one, lol AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #29

I know you're an avid gun supporter. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #41

Oh look! The ad hominem attack.... rug Apr 2015 #42

I don't see anything negative in his post about me. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #51

Suggesting that your opinions on guns is an ad hominem sounds rather judgmental. rug Apr 2015 #63

a dim view of his sincerely held belief? AlbertCat Apr 2015 #54

Hit a nerve. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #53

Read the OP or ask me. rug Apr 2015 #68

Irony meter service required. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #69

You definitely need something serviced. rug Apr 2015 #78

I'll bite. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #77

Because the RCC has no authority to speak in civil legislation. rug Apr 2015 #79

It sure presumes to. It also avails itself of the courts. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #80

Then those actions are fair game. rug Apr 2015 #81

Money goes in, oppression comes out. Not sure what else to say about it. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #84

Try describing the digestive tract that way. rug Apr 2015 #90

It's only oppressive when I eat at dixies. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #97

What are the issues that resonate with you? LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #101

Virtually everything here: rug Apr 2015 #103

Would you say the hierarchy is a vestigial appendage then? LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #116

No, the orders of bishop, priest and deacon go back to the very beginning. rug Apr 2015 #117

Would you say that the tradition is important to you? LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #118

Yes, but more importantant, it's crucial to that religion. rug Apr 2015 #119

On gullibility ... LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #120

To the extent that's valid, any perceived gllibity is in direct proportion to perceived authority. rug Apr 2015 #121

(side note) The demonstrators pictured are from Dignity USA, a GLBT coalition of Catholics. pinto Apr 2015 #27

Boy nil desperandum Apr 2015 #52

Who knew that Catholics supporting gay rights was controversial? rug Apr 2015 #64

Well, there's support, and then there's support. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #76

Ignorant bullshit. rug Apr 2015 #82

Really seems to upset you. Truth hurts, huh? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #85

When confronted with the odor of bullshit, a rational reaction is to recoil. rug Apr 2015 #89

Odd that you can't seem to explain how it is 'bullshit'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #93

Yo haven't been following along. rug Apr 2015 #95

That's what I said when I started looking at the church's public finance disclosure. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #99

Post what you find. rug Apr 2015 #100

Um, I linked you to an economist article on the churchs' overall accounting problems. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #102

I'm in awe Lordquinton Apr 2015 #105

Awe does tend to overpower comprehension. rug Apr 2015 #107

you must be in a constant state of awe then. Lordquinton Apr 2015 #113

Twas you who claimed awe. rug Apr 2015 #114

nice comeback Lordquinton Apr 2015 #115

�No One View Speaks For �Religion' " LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #74