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okasha

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72. The point of the cold fusion comparison

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:27 PM

Apr 2015

was to point out that its results were not replicated. Science requires replicated results to draw conclusions.

So far, the Templeton results have not been replicated.

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Apparently, not all atheists are dismissive about praying [View all] Starboard Tack Apr 2015 OP

prayer is just talking to one's self. its imposition on others is the problem nt msongs Apr 2015 #1

We should never impose anything on others, especially our personal spiritual beliefs Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #5

"We should never impose anything on others" Circular reference error. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #17

? Starboard Tack May 2015 #131

Really? You don' kniw what that is? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #135

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #138

+1 840high May 2015 #127

just so you know, an atheist who believes in "god or a universal spirit" is not an atheist. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #2

Depends how you define God. Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #3

no really atheism is the lack of belief in gods Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #10

Did you read the articles I linked to? Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #16

They aren't atheists edhopper Apr 2015 #28

Of course not Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #30

it's obvious edhopper Apr 2015 #39

What term? Atheist or prayer? Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #54

ones who say edhopper Apr 2015 #55

Do you find no difference between the two? Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #65

If they mean edhopper Apr 2015 #66

Some of us do not consider our spiritual side as being supernatural Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #67

What do you mean by edhopper Apr 2015 #70

The spirits must have taken over my keyboard. LOL Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #71

It most certainly does not. gcomeau Apr 2015 #13

I agree. Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #18

There are people that make a lot of money helping with that. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #22

I, too, like to make up meanings for words. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #25

Just so everyone knows where this poster is coming from skepticscott Apr 2015 #4

Thank you for linking that SS. Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #6

The same ones you knew he was referring to, Tack skepticscott Apr 2015 #8

I have no idea what you mean Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #12

You had already been reprimanding a DUer as 'not the prayer police' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #20

And what does any of that have to do with a post in Interfaith? Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #33

Link to what? You being disingenuous? skepticscott Apr 2015 #34

You forgot this link Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #7

I'm sure it makes you proud skepticscott Apr 2015 #9

Except I didn't, but if the shoe fits... Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #11

How about these links showing a few of your other insults?: beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #38

Always good to let people know skepticscott Apr 2015 #46

Every time I see ST lecture others on how to behave I'm reminded of Westboro Baptists beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #47

So kind of you SS, but in all humility, I must decline such an honor Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #57

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #58

Thanks for perpetuating the bigoted foundation of the 'no atheists in foxholes' meme. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #84

Who do you pray to? Curmudgeoness Apr 2015 #86

Excellent question. Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #88

Wow, I was following the logic all the way to the end. Curmudgeoness Apr 2015 #93

I have no idea if the soul lives on Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #95

Again, thank you BMUS for your support and understanding. Bless you! Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #56

There is a profound difference... gcomeau Apr 2015 #14

Again I agree that prayer can be defined in many ways. Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #23

Just like you didn't equate same sex marriage to wanting to marry your dog, hamster or mother? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #40

Absolutely! Thanks BMUS Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #53

Praying for This or That HassleCat Apr 2015 #15

We asked one of the promoters of prayer here what he thought his prayers would do Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #19

Thank you for your opinion Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #24

Most of the atheists I know irl and on DU are live and let live. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #21

I have the same experience Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #26

Well even believers like myself question how much it works. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #27

And some like to dismiss concerns about how the intended recipients receive notification of AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #31

What is your solution? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #32

Pray, without rubbing it in people's faces that you are praying. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #35

So are you saying we shoukd not ask for prayers here on DU for victims hrmjustin Apr 2015 #36

What? That's not what I said at all. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #37

Well I put stuff in the pray group so it is appropriate there. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #43

" If it bothers youvor others then use the trash or ignore function." cleanhippie Apr 2015 #48

Oh I do use the trash function. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #49

so then, your objection is not related to the GD thread? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #50

I will say I was surprised that thread was not locked but I understand why it wasn't. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #51

Yeah, if the prayer thing stays in the prayer group, we'd get along just fine. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #90

Or, maybe some are ignorant of peer reviewed double-blind studies on the efficacy of prayer. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #29

A single study, which has not been replicated. okasha Apr 2015 #44

Wait, what? truebrit71 Apr 2015 #59

Cold fusion. okasha Apr 2015 #60

Peer-reviewed, double blind... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #61

iNeither is a study with results that can't be replicated. okasha Apr 2015 #62

Why can't they be replicated edhopper Apr 2015 #64

I was speaking in general terms about how science works. okasha Apr 2015 #68

That's different than edhopper Apr 2015 #69

The point of the cold fusion comparison okasha Apr 2015 #72

How many studies edhopper Apr 2015 #73

Oh come on, now. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #85

the only way this study got done was because the templeton foundation funded it Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #87

I wasn't proposing anyone spend mofe gi.e or money okasha Apr 2015 #94

"their conclusions contradict those of previous studies" No, they don't. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #75

Except the Templeton study I referenced isn't the only one that showed null or not statistically sig AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #74

Yep. Your thread "Question for atheists" is a good example of our mutual respect. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #41

Thank you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #45

I pray on rare ocassions. Especially if the person in need is religious. applegrove Apr 2015 #42

Me too. Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #52

The functions fulfilled by religions are being externalized Yorktown Apr 2015 #63

Shocking! Atheists are not a monolith? Who could hav guessed. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #76

Indeed we are not Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #78

And some of you call other atheists 'vermin' muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #96

You must be referring to this.... Starboard Tack May 2015 #97

Don't you think it's about time you stopped pretending to be rational and non-religious? mr blur May 2015 #98

Happy May Day to you too! Starboard Tack May 2015 #100

The irony that your first link is directly related to YOUR post... truebrit71 May 2015 #99

Except I did not "specifically call atheists vermin" Starboard Tack May 2015 #101

Links to your hidden posts slurring other DUers: beam me up scottie May 2015 #103

Thank you BMUS Starboard Tack May 2015 #108

Then to whom were you referring in that post? truebrit71 May 2015 #104

Whoever Justin was being bullied by. Who do you think? Starboard Tack May 2015 #110

So you weren't being truthful when you said you didn't "specifically call atheists vermin". beam me up scottie May 2015 #112

Thanks again. Now, a question or two for you. Starboard Tack May 2015 #113

You have yet to explain what an atheist prays to. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #115

I already explained to you how I interpret praying as an atheist Starboard Tack May 2015 #117

Inwards... to the universe. ok? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #119

Bravo! Exactly, like Buddhists do. Starboard Tack May 2015 #122

Buddhists dont pray to an external agency for the benefit of others. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #123

I never talked about context or intercessory pleas. Starboard Tack May 2015 #124

That doesn't prove that intercessory prayer isn't stupid, or obnoxious, or insulting, or any other AtheistCrusader May 2015 #125

I do not not couch or cover for religion Starboard Tack May 2015 #129

And where do you imagine you see people imposing their beliefs on others. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #134

How about every idiot who thinks carrying guns around makes society safer Starboard Tack May 2015 #139

That's ok. I knew you couldn't do it. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #140

Uh, yeah, they do. okasha May 2015 #143

Which has nothing to do with imposing beliefs (in the conext of a religion thread) on others. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #147

And that was.....? truebrit71 May 2015 #114

As a fellow Limey, you should know your nautical terms better. Starboard Tack May 2015 #116

It's much better when a jury of your peers does the counting and measuring... cleanhippie May 2015 #144

That explains your three hides. rug May 2015 #145

You mean your three hides. cleanhippie May 2015 #148

It's a conspiracy! beam me up scottie May 2015 #149

The only thing you can silence is intelligent conversation. rug May 2015 #150

Like this intelligent conversation?: beam me up scottie May 2015 #152

Case in point. Your purpose here seems to be no more than extraneous meta. rug May 2015 #153

Results... Major Nikon May 2015 #154

Thanks for the reslts. rug May 2015 #155

One cannot silence what another is incapable of. cleanhippie May 2015 #156

Oh that's right. I missed that you fail to donate to DU. rug May 2015 #151

Is this really what you've been reduced to, rug? cleanhippie May 2015 #157

Yes, I too frequently find myself reduced to replying to your gleeful meta. rug May 2015 #158

And how's that working out for you? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #159

So far, so good, as best I can tell. cleanhippie May 2015 #161

Other than my IQ dropping, just fine. rug May 2015 #162

Well, you should probably have that looked at. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #163

I find it's in direct proportion to whom I'm speaking. rug May 2015 #165

Why? Planning on getting a couple more hides? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #166

No, stupidity and meta are poor topics for discussion. rug May 2015 #167

I aim to please. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #169

Make a change then. If you continue on the current path, you'll find yourself on a forced vacation. cleanhippie May 2015 #160

No, hippie, it's you who have to change. rug May 2015 #164

Lol, yeah right. cleanhippie May 2015 #168

QED. rug May 2015 #170

You've become incoherent. cleanhippie May 2015 #171

Not the first time you've encountered difficulty understanding, I imagine. rug May 2015 #172

Your imagination IS the problem. cleanhippie May 2015 #173

You, Sir, are asking WAAAAAYYYY too much. cleanhippie May 2015 #142

Link to you calling atheists vermin: beam me up scottie May 2015 #102

Thanks again BMUS for your support Starboard Tack May 2015 #105

You were instructed not to repeat your behaviour by a host of that group: beam me up scottie May 2015 #106

Again, thank you for making it clear that there was no reference to DU members Starboard Tack May 2015 #107

I've been known to pray up a storm when my horse is coming down the stretch at 10 to one. BlueJazz Apr 2015 #77

I think prayer may well be an effective method of communication with animals Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #79

It must work 'cause the past few months have been quite lucrative. BlueJazz Apr 2015 #80

Cool! Horse whisperer. Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #81

Is that how you got consent Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #82

I must confess that we never actually got married. Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #83

Dogs, hamsters, voles, and bicycles cannot consent to a contract. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #89

Ah, but apparently, voles can be strangled with impunity Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #91

I will continue to point it out as long as you insist on perpetuating this cruel meme. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #92

I don't mind, just keep it to your damned self. longship May 2015 #109

I couldn't agree more Starboard Tack May 2015 #111

Ah, irony! So you do understand *something* nt mr blur May 2015 #118

Apparently, not all atheists are dismissive about praying AlbertCat May 2015 #120

You got it Albert! Starboard Tack May 2015 #121

His point is that he calls any atheist who does dismiss prayer 'vermin' muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #136

the seriousness and usefulness of prayer, AlbertCat May 2015 #137

In my experience, Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #126

When i start worrying about 840high May 2015 #128

Fair enough. I'm sure it is a very hard thing to quantify in terms of results. Starboard Tack May 2015 #130

Hope doesn't work so I gave up on hope. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #132

Sorry to hear that. I've been very lucky in that department, so far, at least Starboard Tack May 2015 #133

Thank you for your concern. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #141

Fascinating! Learn something new every day goldent May 2015 #146