Religion

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)

51. You know why? There's a good reason.

Tue May 12, 2015, 10:20 AM

May 2015

Because most of us are fighting all the time, against this specific church, which is dominant here in the US.

Fight to legalize physician assisted suicide in WA? The organized opposition to I-1000 was entirely catholic. Top donors, the activists, all of it. Even the supposedly 'secular' physicians group that signed on against it, was filled with catholic doctors.

Catholic 'bashing' as you call it, is happening here in the US, right now, because the RCC is politically dominant. They are winning in the courts too. What you call 'bashing' is actually just us trying to protect ourselves. I already linked you a story upthread about how they are trying to take over the entire medical system in the PacNW.

I MOSTLY hurf durf about the RCC here, because the RCC is in my face, and trying to impose its doctrines on me. I have plenty of dislike for the Mormon church as well, but that church isn't *here*, banging on my gate, trying to get in my bedroom.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

131 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

When the Catholic Church owns your doctor: The insidious new threat to affordable birth control [View all] trotsky May 2015 OP

You really shouldn't go to a Catholic hospital and expect you will will get any Cleita May 2015 #1

You're missing a huge point of the article. trotsky May 2015 #4

That is a problem and the reason I have been told is that when Cleita May 2015 #9

You may have been told that but the RCC's motivations include Warren Stupidity May 2015 #11

The primary issue is that the RCC is aggressively pursing the purchases. trotsky May 2015 #12

I would because laws are needed that prevent that from happening. Cleita May 2015 #13

Wow, so your church gets a pass for its anti-woman dogma. trotsky May 2015 #17

You are assuming this my Church? Okay I get it where you are coming from. Cleita May 2015 #28

Uh huh. trotsky May 2015 #46

The church is doing everything in its power to force women to give birth. beam me up scottie May 2015 #19

Whaat! Cleita May 2015 #29

Did you read my post down thread? beam me up scottie May 2015 #31

Well, it's the Koch brothers goal to become our kings. Cleita May 2015 #34

But no one on DU excuses the behaviour of the Koch brothers. beam me up scottie May 2015 #35

Well. What I see are Catholic bashing threads to the exclusion of other religions Cleita May 2015 #38

So you are a catholic apologist. beam me up scottie May 2015 #41

Yes, bmus. trotsky May 2015 #47

Right. The RCC's war against women isn't a good enough reason to criticize the church. beam me up scottie May 2015 #79

You know why? There's a good reason. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #51

I am so sick and tired of Catholics, specifically... CoffeeCat May 2015 #53

Again I'm not a Catholic or even a Christian. Cleita May 2015 #55

So why defend the church and its dogma that is attacking women? trotsky May 2015 #57

Yes because my mother was Catholic and I went to parochial school. Cleita May 2015 #58

The RCC is engineered from the ground up to resist change from within. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #62

Not the first time I have been attacked here. Cleita May 2015 #65

I think they should take dogma out of healthcare. PeaceNikki May 2015 #20

Well you see, people shouldn't have voted for Republicans. trotsky May 2015 #24

Right cuz Democrats would *never* defend misogyny wrapped in dogma!! PeaceNikki May 2015 #26

Oh snap! n/t trotsky May 2015 #45

Many have been excommunicated for doing the right thing. Cleita May 2015 #30

What I would like is for women to be treated equally and dogma left out of healthcare. PeaceNikki May 2015 #32

I want that to. What I'm pointing out is that the leopard is not going to change its Cleita May 2015 #36

I am working on it by supporting the ACLU and being politically active, but thanks? PeaceNikki May 2015 #37

I've been going to City Council and County Board of Supervisors meetings Cleita May 2015 #40

In this case, the 'community' being subsumed, is the Greater Seattle Area. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #50

You shouldn't go to a Catholic hospital and expect you will get decent care. PeaceNikki May 2015 #15

The poor used to go to municipal or county run hospitals. Cleita May 2015 #21

Agreed. But they're already in the business of healthcare and they get federal funding. PeaceNikki May 2015 #22

I agree 100%. The funding should end. I've always been against giving taxpayer's Cleita May 2015 #27

My fiancee's Gynecologist's office was bought out/absorbed by Mercy health, an... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #18

I agree with you. It shouldn't be that way. Cleita May 2015 #23

We are lucky that we live in a largish metro-area with more than one health care system... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #39

In Seattle, the RCC has wormed joint operating agreements or ownership into 10 of the 11 AtheistCrusader May 2015 #49

Not dismissing it. Until I entered this thread, I didn't realize how pervasive the problem Cleita May 2015 #54

I do withdraw that, and thank you for acknowledging it. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #59

Are these hospitals being taxed? Cartoonist May 2015 #2

I don't think non-profits of any kind are taxed are they? Cleita May 2015 #10

They get federal funding. The ACLU is suing. PeaceNikki May 2015 #16

They shouldn't be getting federal funding. This was the mess GWB got us into Cleita May 2015 #25

She's been reporting on this for some time. rug May 2015 #3

Catholicwatch.org: keeping track of the catholic assault on healthcare. Dawson Leery May 2015 #5

But...but...Catholic doctrine only affects practicing Catholics skepticscott May 2015 #6

Yeah I'm sure it's no big deal. trotsky May 2015 #7

Baptizing "products of conception" Runningdawg May 2015 #8

Holy shit, wow. PeaceNikki May 2015 #33

I'm surprised they saved the woman instead of the "baby". beam me up scottie May 2015 #44

This is part of a coordinated effort to deny women birth control. beam me up scottie May 2015 #14

Only hospital in town bought by Catholic organization HockeyMom May 2015 #42

Who owned it before and why did they sell? rug May 2015 #43

You tell us 'why they sold'. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #52

You tell me the hospital. rug May 2015 #61

I don't know that hospital's name. I'll give you local hospitals to me. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #63

How interesting. But the question was about hockeymom's hospital. rug May 2015 #64

Because it is its common mode of operation. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #66

That doesn't answer why it's common or why these two transactions occurred. rug May 2015 #67

The catholic org lied about the Swedish takeover. Just liked it lied about I-1000 opposition. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #70

Don't forget the 18 million dollars Swedish was losing. rug May 2015 #83

Unrelated to the catholic prohibition on abortion applied to Swedish. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #86

Very related when Swedish sold themselves. rug May 2015 #87

Does not change the validity of what I said AtheistCrusader May 2015 #91

calling out Catholic bigotry is not it's self bigotry Lordquinton May 2015 #81

Bigots are the least credible people when it comes to bigotry. rug May 2015 #84

Tell me your church's official position on same sex marriage again AtheistCrusader May 2015 #88

They won't perform them. rug May 2015 #89

And lobby to prevent them. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #93

That's a political activity, not church doctrine. rug May 2015 #94

Is this political activity? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #95

No. rug May 2015 #97

How convenient for you. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #98

Facts tend to be convenient in establishing reality. rug May 2015 #99

Facts you say? Ask and ye shall receive. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #100

Are you claiming that someone saying SSM is a tool of the devil isn't bigoted? Lordquinton May 2015 #104

That's about as bigoted as this is: rug May 2015 #105

Not at all Lordquinton May 2015 #106

Oh, bullshit. rug May 2015 #107

You accepted that the Pope is a bigot, that's a big step for you Lordquinton May 2015 #108

Since you were conciliatory, though condescending, rug May 2015 #110

growth is painful, I understand your lashing out right now Lordquinton May 2015 #113

Oh, Lord, if you think that is lashing, you will be unpleasantly surprised. rug May 2015 #116

For now, we'll just have to discuss your dogged deflections for the RCC, I guess. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #115

Except of course that I have agreed and acknowledged that, for instance, Catholic PEOPLE poll AtheistCrusader May 2015 #109

"I will not be silenced by your personal attacks." rug May 2015 #111

we seem a bit miffed, don't we? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #112

Lol, somebody is, Warren. rug May 2015 #117

No retraction of the 'bigot' attack, no material content, smilie present. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #114

that's why we have to call out the pope. Lordquinton May 2015 #92

Here's why Swedish joined Providence. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #68

That details how the deal was made but it doesn't even hint at why Swedish agreed to it. rug May 2015 #69

Maybe if you actually read it. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #71

A Board of Directors decides these things, not the CEO. rug May 2015 #72

It is a common business practice. Party A has money and desire to acquire, Party B likes money, AtheistCrusader May 2015 #73

Bt the qestion I ask is why Swedish agreed to it. rug May 2015 #74

Since they sat at the same PR table and lied about whether services would change AtheistCrusader May 2015 #75

Are you claiming Swedish did not know whaty would happen? rug May 2015 #76

Swedish may have been lied to, sure. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #77

Do you have any evidence of that? rug May 2015 #78

You seem to be confused over what I said. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #80

"Swedish had a 18 million dollar budget shortfall the year below" rug May 2015 #82

You're not following what I said in plain English. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #85

I know exactly what you said and exactly what you speculated. rug May 2015 #90

There was no speculation. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #96

Happening across the country. trotsky May 2015 #48

Catholic health care, a long-time sponsor for the S.F. Giants quietly Ernesto May 2015 #56

K & R historylovr May 2015 #60

The Catholic Health System provides a large portion... NaturalHigh May 2015 #101

Elements of the church have deliberately acquired that health care for a purpose. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #102

"it's kind of hard to complain about the Church" beam me up scottie May 2015 #103

Yes, interesting results from nine years ago. NaturalHigh May 2015 #118

Your cold disinterest in how this impacts the reproductive lives of ALL Americans... trotsky May 2015 #119

"they have to provide ALL OPTIONS to their patients" NaturalHigh May 2015 #120

No, I don't know that. Neither do you. trotsky May 2015 #121

Fair enough... NaturalHigh May 2015 #122

"you can't force the Catholic Church to provide health care options" beam me up scottie May 2015 #125

Bullshit, your non-support of women's reproductive rights when it comes to the RCC speaks volumes beam me up scottie May 2015 #123

I'm not Catholic, but my wife is. NaturalHigh May 2015 #124

You don't have to be catholic to be an apologist for the church. beam me up scottie May 2015 #126

Do you think Catholic doctors... NaturalHigh May 2015 #127

Straw man: "Do you think Catholic doctors should be forced to perform abortions?" beam me up scottie May 2015 #128

"right wing talking points" NaturalHigh May 2015 #129

First, I'm not a "dude". beam me up scottie May 2015 #130

Do I have to repeat my horrific experience with an ectopic pregnancy HockeyMom May 2015 #131