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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
45. Another nuanced reply.
Wed May 20, 2015, 11:47 AM
May 2015

But let me add another perspective. While it is true that, as you well said:
"Religion causes a huge amount of grief and hurt for a lot of people, some of us who have been harmed by religion come to places like this to let off some steam since speaking of these things in our communities will bring yet more grief and hurt. "

Religion, and faith in general, can also be a source of comfort and provides a guideline for behavior that many people find useful. Religion provided comfort for the slaves in the American South, and religion was the inspiration for many of the Abolitionists who fought the horror of slavery. Religion also was the inspiration for many war resisters, including the Berrigan brothers and Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker movement.

We can all recognize that religious belief, like any belief system, can be interpreted in different ways, and religious institutions, like any institutions, can do much harm when led by unscrupulous individuals. And especially in a small town, religion is an identifier for people, an expression of group identity. Someone who does not share that group identity can be treated as an outsider. But that same thing can happen when a majority of people in an area are from one ethnic group, or share a common language. My family is from a very small town in an area where the vast majority of people speak French as the primary language and have French surnames. The small number of English speakers undoubtedly felt that they were "outsiders" in some circumstances.


And your comments about anger as an outlet and a relief from pressure are also true. Anger is a legitimate and probably necessary response. I could not and would not criticize the anger, but my feelings are that at a certain point we must also recognize what we have in common.

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Nothing to see here. immoderate May 2015 #1
Thanks rug for a very interesting link. guillaumeb May 2015 #2
Do you really understand what it's like to be thought of by your family as the Devil? Fumesucker May 2015 #4
I cannot understand what it is to be like anyone but myself. That goes also for all. guillaumeb May 2015 #33
Maybe I haven't been abused as seriously as some of these other people Fumesucker May 2015 #43
Another nuanced reply. guillaumeb May 2015 #45
no, don't add another perspective Lordquinton May 2015 #46
I do listen, but not always in agreement. guillaumeb May 2015 #51
You my not intentionally be dismissing people's experiences Lordquinton May 2015 #53
Dare I offer yet ANOTHER perspective? guillaumeb May 2015 #54
Nuance is all well and good but sometimes the torpedoes need to be damned and full speed ahead Fumesucker May 2015 #49
Nicely put, and disturbing also. guillaumeb May 2015 #50
Your question is dead on Yorktown May 2015 #52
And you have always been wrong edhopper May 2015 #8
Wrong or incorrect? guillaumeb May 2015 #34
incorrect edhopper May 2015 #40
Incorrect according to whom? cbayer May 2015 #41
Fundamentalist atheists share many of the same attitudes guillaumeb May 2015 #42
Ooooh, you're going to get it now. The emperor has no clothes cbayer May 2015 #12
My reply names no one, nor is it required. guillaumeb May 2015 #35
No names are required, I agree. cbayer May 2015 #37
Very interesting response. hrmjustin May 2015 #16
There is no excuse for rudeness. guillaumeb May 2015 #36
Nothing, it accomplishes nothing. hrmjustin May 2015 #38
Oh, it accomplishes something, but only if you let it. cbayer May 2015 #44
+1 Sobax May 2015 #39
I like where he is going and hope to see more follow. cbayer May 2015 #3
Pigliucci nil desperandum May 2015 #5
So, what do you think of the position he takes in this article? cbayer May 2015 #9
I think nil desperandum May 2015 #13
I'm not very familiar with him so I appreciate the background you are providing. cbayer May 2015 #17
but of course the ol' burden-of-proof blame game is pretty dangerous for someone so close to LogPos MisterP May 2015 #32
they will ignore that he made this argument Lordquinton May 2015 #47
I'm not sure what evidence he has... MellowDem May 2015 #6
"I have recently considered sending such a letter to the skeptic and atheist movements cbayer May 2015 #11
Indeed nil desperandum May 2015 #14
Where? MellowDem May 2015 #15
I find it helpful in situations like this to remember Rob H. May 2015 #19
Hitchen's Razor: The burden of proof in a debate lies with whoever makes the claim. cbayer May 2015 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Rob H. May 2015 #21
What claim have I made and what have I been asked to provide evidence for? cbayer May 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Rob H. May 2015 #24
That wasn't asked of me. You might be bowing out, but it's not for the reason you state. cbayer May 2015 #25
It needs to be noted that your post was edited while I was replying to it, cbayer May 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Rob H. May 2015 #28
I did not assume anything else and did not think it was nefarious in any way. cbayer May 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Rob H. May 2015 #30
I'm not claiming it doesn't exist... MellowDem May 2015 #23
A subgroup is a subgroup. If it's a fan group, then that's kind of the point. cbayer May 2015 #27
logic fail Lordquinton May 2015 #48
Not only do they fail to see the inherent hypocrisy, their righteous indignation about it cbayer May 2015 #18
NDT on philosophy edhopper May 2015 #7
Looks like turf battles to me. cbayer May 2015 #10
It sounds like the Chomsky/Harris exchange pushed Pigliucci over the line. Jim__ May 2015 #31
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