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cbayer

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50. Because I believe in the theory of evolution and have been convinced

Fri May 22, 2015, 11:01 AM

May 2015

of it by using my own rigorous scientific method of inquiry, I think there is lots of evidence that literal creationism did not occur.

Do you think you have evidence that creationism is possible?

BTW, you can drop the silly argument about "stupid". I was using it in a colloquial and pejorative sense, not a literal one.

Of course, it would really be a stretch to say that the character in your cartoon is not being portrayed as incredibly stupid. I mean, he can't even speak english correctly. But don't let me project that idea back on you.

So let me re-state my initial position since your literalism is getting in the way of our discussion.

Creationism is a stupid idea. We are all pretty much opposed to those who reject evolution and embrace creationism, right?

Something we can all come together about, and that's a good thing, right?

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Creationists [View all] Major Nikon May 2015 OP

Is evolution an issue in this room? rug May 2015 #1

Is creationism a theological issue? Major Nikon May 2015 #2

No. Nor have I seen anyone here argue literal creationism. rug May 2015 #3

... Major Nikon May 2015 #4

That is news, not theology. rug May 2015 #5

If it's not theology, then how is it relevant here? Major Nikon May 2015 #6

My mistake. I thought it was a cartoon. rug May 2015 #7

About as clever as "I'm rubber, you're glue" Major Nikon May 2015 #10

WHAT??? Did you just write that Creationism is NOT a theological issue? Yorktown May 2015 #8

Only when someone else brings it up Major Nikon May 2015 #11

Well this is the Religion group. longship May 2015 #26

"Literal" creationism? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #12

Read the cartoon, Warren. You're good at that. rug May 2015 #14

It seems strange to me how any bible based believer can argue against literal creationism Major Nikon May 2015 #17

It's a book. An anthology of books by many authors, full of stories. Starboard Tack May 2015 #20

Is it your personal position that Genesis 1-3 must be viewed dichotomously as either LTX May 2015 #21

If there's no literal creation/ism phil89 May 2015 #27

Original sin edhopper May 2015 #29

Not really. It's an analog to the otherwise common notion that baser instincts LTX May 2015 #33

It's also a guide for the fashionable wear of fig leaves Major Nikon May 2015 #39

and the persecution of homosexuals, blasphemers, etc. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #41

Interesting. So in your view, religion is necessarily exclusive of metaphor. LTX May 2015 #43

If you've never heard of fundamentalism you must not get out much Major Nikon May 2015 #47

And by extension of your argument, you are effectively saying that LTX May 2015 #53

Yet you have decided what is metaphorical Major Nikon May 2015 #56

Of course. As you do. LTX May 2015 #59

True Major Nikon May 2015 #61

That's something we are pretty close to full agreement on. LTX May 2015 #62

Well, I'm a Jew, so I view those chapters differently. LTX May 2015 #32

I reckon it's kinda like being pregnant Major Nikon May 2015 #35

So is it your view that there is no truth to (or in) literature, poetry, and metaphors? LTX May 2015 #37

I didn't say any or no truth, I said literal truth Major Nikon May 2015 #40

I'm not well versed in the distinction between truth and literal truth. LTX May 2015 #42

It's likely you either can't understand or you're being obtuse Major Nikon May 2015 #45

It's a theological and political issue; 41% of Americans think humans did not evolve muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #22

That is utterly terrifying. F4lconF16 May 2015 #55

It is terrifying and the main reason why we need to distinguish between cbayer May 2015 #57

I'll concede that but the position caricatured by the cartoon is senseless theologically rug May 2015 #65

Yes it is. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #13

Really? Post the threads opposing it. rug May 2015 #15

Here ya go rug Warren Stupidity May 2015 #16

That seems to have shut him up quick. cleanhippie May 2015 #34

Once again an inaccurate post. rug May 2015 #67

One hardly needs to wiggle out of a shoelace. rug May 2015 #66

Right on queue. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #68

It's amusing when you misuse cue. rug May 2015 #69

Oh, good point. Thanks rug! Warren Stupidity May 2015 #70

ok. hrmjustin May 2015 #9

Yeah, creationists are stupid. We are all pretty much opposed to them. cbayer May 2015 #18

I wouldn't call them stupid anymore than I'd call any other believer stupid Major Nikon May 2015 #19

There is a difference. cbayer May 2015 #23

"sometimes one has to make others smaller in order to feel big" trotsky May 2015 #24

This warrants another response, to point out your error. trotsky May 2015 #25

Isn't there plenty of evidence edhopper May 2015 #30

Plenty of evidence contrary to the notion that someone can die... trotsky May 2015 #31

She once told phil89 May 2015 #36

At that point you know that reason is pretty much out the window... trotsky May 2015 #38

There isn't a difference in that respect Major Nikon May 2015 #44

Wait, Steven Hawking has confirmed the non-existence of god?? cbayer May 2015 #46

So do you have evidence creationism isn't possible? Major Nikon May 2015 #48

Brilliant exposure of the double standard. n/t trotsky May 2015 #49

Because I believe in the theory of evolution and have been convinced cbayer May 2015 #50

You can say the same about the existence or lack thereof in a supreme being Major Nikon May 2015 #52

You were the one who posted the cartoon of somebody obviously being portrayed as stupid. cbayer May 2015 #54

I thought you wanted to drop this Major Nikon May 2015 #58

Are you dropping the whole conversation or just the stupid part? cbayer May 2015 #60

This is your assertion, which I contradicted Major Nikon May 2015 #63

Ok, so are creationists stupid or not? cbayer May 2015 #64

It is interesting to note the contrast here. trotsky May 2015 #51

Great cartoon Gothmog May 2015 #28