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onager

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43. "None of these wars were instigated for any religious reason."
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:00 AM
Apr 2012

Well, there was the Philippine–American War, a/k/a the Philippine War of Independence or Philippine Insurrection (1899–1902).

Here's how President William McKinley decided to annex the Philippines, in his own words:

I have been criticized a good deal about the Philippines, but don’t deserve it. The truth is I didn’t want the Philippines, and when they came to us, as a gift from the gods, I did not know what to do with them...

I walked the floor of the White House night after night until midnight; and I am not ashamed to tell you, gentlemen, that I went down on my knees and prayed to Almighty God for light and guidance more than one night.

And one night late it came to me this way—I don’t know how it was, but it came: (1) That we could not give them back to Spain—that would be cowardly and dishonorable; (2) that we could not turn them over to France and Germany—our commercial rivals in the Orient—that would be bad business and discreditable; (3) that we could not leave them to themselves—they were unfit for self-government—and they would soon have anarchy and misrule over there worse than Spain’s was; and (4) that there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God’s grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow-men for whom Christ also died.


http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5575/

That "Christianize them" bit is interesting. Thanks to 350 years of Spanish occupation, the majority of Filipinos were (and are) Catholic. Maybe he was talking about the MILFs...that is, the Mindanao Islamic Liberation Front. Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

The Philippine landgrab inspired Mark Twain to slightly re-write "The Battle Hymn of the Republic:"

...We have legalized the strumpet and are guarding her retreat;*
Greed is seeking out commercial souls before his judgement seat;
O, be swift, ye clods, to answer him! be jubilant my feet!
Our god is marching on!

In a sordid slime harmonious Greed was born in yonder ditch,
With a longing in his bosom -- and for others' goods an itch.
As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich --
Our god is marching on.

* NOTE: In Manila the Government has placed a certain industry under the protection of our flag. (M.T.)


Twain's note refers to U.S. troops guarding the Manila brothels. You can read the whole poem here:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/twainwp.htm

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Is religion responsible for our wars? [View all] Thats my opinion Apr 2012 OP
I say no Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #1
Are we talking about religious beliefs or institutional religion? edhopper Apr 2012 #10
I can do without the 'absurd' shit Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #11
You read it as a stronger word than I intended. edhopper Apr 2012 #13
I'm not disagreeing that religion is used as a reason Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #18
Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq trotsky Apr 2012 #2
This. (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #3
Many Americans have said God is on our side always when we go to war.. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #4
It's still not a 'root cause' Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #12
Economics doesn't always explain everything. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #27
It explains why nations go to war Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #39
There are sometimes other reasons. Economics isn't always enough by itself. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #56
Examples? Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #59
And to many Republicans economics is religion. Capitalism was given to us by God. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #57
In high school TlalocW Apr 2012 #5
i agree that religion is rarely the CAUSE for the war, but it doesn't get off the hook so easily unblock Apr 2012 #6
maybe ... Capitalism??? zbdent Apr 2012 #7
WW II was not instigated because of elleng Apr 2012 #8
Hitler hated Jews - no question Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #14
And centuries of the Churches telling their congregations that the Jews killed Jesus edhopper Apr 2012 #16
Again, religion is used as an excuse Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #21
You haven't read his interviews Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #17
No, must have missed those Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #19
I wouldn't put him in the Judeo-Christian tradition Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #20
Yep Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #22
I get what you are saying about economics, I really do. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #23
Oh, I agree that religion is often used as a tool for war Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #24
That agreement was easy Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #25
Consider this, though hyphenate Apr 2012 #36
I don't believe that using religion as an excuse for war Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #40
So then you expect everyone to be a mindreader. hyphenate Apr 2012 #44
Follow the money Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #48
defines his own sense of Christianity, AlbertCat Apr 2012 #53
One important cause of WW II was the Treaty of Versailles ... Jim__ Apr 2012 #29
The European Theatre at least hyphenate Apr 2012 #35
Take a closer look, however, Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #41
I think you may be wrong intaglio Apr 2012 #9
Not disagreeing with the examples you cite Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #15
But then again, as an atheist edhopper Apr 2012 #26
Did you not see my 3rd paragraph? intaglio Apr 2012 #31
Ah, the partition... Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #42
No need for other examples intaglio Apr 2012 #47
I don't see a whole lot to disagree about, really Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #49
Balfour's declaration is fascinating intaglio Apr 2012 #52
That's my take on it as well Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #55
According to Mel Gibson, the answer is yes. n/t laconicsax Apr 2012 #28
Let me see if I can properly sum up what was so well stated in my history book Senior year... darkstar3 Apr 2012 #30
+1 I was gping to post but there's no point now. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #33
I say yes. hyphenate Apr 2012 #32
In this group? Yeah, pretty much. n/t Adsos Letter Apr 2012 #34
Thread winner! cbayer Apr 2012 #37
. Adsos Letter Apr 2012 #38
I'd red that for a DUzy that if I hadn't used my nomination for the week. ellisonz Apr 2012 #45
"None of these wars were instigated for any religious reason." onager Apr 2012 #43
As someone who has studied that exact topic intensely... ellisonz Apr 2012 #46
Worse. rug Apr 2012 #50
"Godless Commies?" "Everything I need to know about Islam... KansDem Apr 2012 #51
Religions may not be the root cause of wars... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #54
Well, Iraq/Afghanistan were sold to us to protect us from terrorism The Straight Story Apr 2012 #58
No - any more than nationality or ethnicity is always directly responsible for wars LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #60
The Dalai Lama disagrees with you skepticscott Apr 2012 #61
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