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skepticscott

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29. He hasn't and he won't

Wed May 27, 2015, 08:57 AM

May 2015

The Vatican PR game requires that he appear to be above it all, a progressive in a sea of sexist, homophobic bigotry. When in fact he is at the heart of it, and fully in support of all church doctrine. Which of course requires him to say nothing at a time like this, when a truly courageous man of principle would have no hesitation in speaking out for what's right.

Unfortunately, some DUers don't like being called on the carpet on these uncomfortable facts.

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Vatican calls Irish referendum a ‘defeat for humanity’ [View all] Warren Stupidity May 2015 OP

Oh Bullshit! It was a fantastic! hrmjustin May 2015 #1

And a good many Irish priests supported it. okasha May 2015 #4

Well said! hrmjustin May 2015 #6

That is not how the RCC is architected. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #9

Sorry. It is. okasha May 2015 #11

That is such crap. Are you serious? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #12

You might want to get the perspective okasha May 2015 #14

Yeah right. I've never done that. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #15

And you talked to all those people! okasha May 2015 #19

You really are too much. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #21

You've been given the equivalent to the Creationist argument "were you there?" cleanhippie May 2015 #37

Good analogy, Except, in a way, we both were there. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #38

62% of their confreres in Ireland voted for the referendm. rug May 2015 #20

I'm quite happy to see the progress in Ireland. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #22

What it is is an overwhelming majority of Catholics voting for equal rights. rug May 2015 #32

The church can't distinguish between the role of the church and the role of the state. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #33

The Church incldes its members who madev this vote. rug May 2015 #35

So explain then, how this audience came to the correct conclusion, yet AtheistCrusader May 2015 #43

They realize that the bishops have no more authority on legislation than anyone else. rug May 2015 #44

I wonder how they came to a different conclusion than the pope on AtheistCrusader May 2015 #46

Catholicism supports many progressive rights. rug May 2015 #47

Probably from the pope. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #51

That was a rhetorical question. rug May 2015 #55

Not so 'overwhelming'; 45% of 'yes voters' were religious, 75% of 'no' voters muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #39

I'm sorry you're disappointed in the election results. rug May 2015 #40

As opposed to your assertion that 'overwhelming' numbers of Catholics voted yes? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #42

Convert your percentages into numbers then. rug May 2015 #45

That's a different argument muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #48

It's a much more pertinent statistic than "45% of 'yes voters' were religious, 75% of 'no' voters". rug May 2015 #49

Did you actually read my post #39? Or just the title? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #50

"they are what shows you wrong" - not possible. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #53

You gave percentages. Do you have actual numbers? rug May 2015 #56

Do you need help converting percentages to numbers? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #57

Why, yes I do. Now, how about those numbers? rug May 2015 #58

This is not a primary school maths class muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #59

I see. You don't have the numbers. rug May 2015 #60

Sadly, your attempt at hijacking the thread further was all too predictable muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #61

You know, muriel, instead of typing yoir imagination of me at age 10, you could have posted numbers. rug May 2015 #62

For all I know, you were a delightful human being at age 10 muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #63

Oh, I was. rug May 2015 #64

You realize there are non catholic Christians that take what the pope says as gospel, right? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #16

As an ex-member of a hierarchical church, I am happy to offer mine: Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #41

180 degrees from reality Cartoonist May 2015 #2

Perhaps a new language is called for. bvf May 2015 #3

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about the church. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #5

You atheists have your morals upside down Yorktown May 2015 #8

But if the purpose of life is to praise the creator, then the creator was not perfect. Hoppy May 2015 #10

That's because the sound of DVD players isn't as good as that of believers. Yorktown May 2015 #13

They are totally submissive. Press the button and they play. Hoppy May 2015 #17

But DVD players are not willingly submissive Yorktown May 2015 #18

Conclusion: gays are not humans Yorktown May 2015 #7

The fact that they think that, is the defeat for humanity. LostOne4Ever May 2015 #23

in before the vatican doesn't speak for the pope. Lordquinton May 2015 #24

And yet there are still those here skepticscott May 2015 #25

Change from within! Nuns on the bus! PERIL!!!!11ones! trotsky May 2015 #27

Fuck you, Cardinal. trotsky May 2015 #26

So, basically the cardinal thinks Ireland hasn't been sufficiently Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #28

He hasn't and he won't skepticscott May 2015 #29

This was pope 'groovy''s official mouthpiece. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #30

A *phenomenal* stat I saw this week seems to bear this out: Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #54

Vatican stands by Cardinal’s remarks on referendum muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #31

Sad but not surprising. trotsky May 2015 #34

So, covering up kiddie-fiddling priests = fine. Gay marriage = Defeat for humanity PoutrageFatigue May 2015 #36

Yes, how will poor humanity get over this tragedy? arcane1 May 2015 #52