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phil89

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19. The teachings

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:09 AM

May 2015

that we require acceptance of a human sacrifice for salvation? I'm glad a disgusting teaching like that is compromised. Have you thought very deeply about exactly what Christianity teaches?

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Why religion is fading in the West [View all] Warren Stupidity May 2015 OP

The quicker the better amuse bouche May 2015 #1

The current crop of "religious" leadership is not in becomeing with "religions'" proposed purpose randr May 2015 #2

Morality my ass! SCVDem May 2015 #3

My short take: Religion doesn't pass the smell test rurallib May 2015 #4

All religion becomes corrupt as soon as the founder dies. zeemike May 2015 #5

Atheism has no theories. phil89 May 2015 #17

Well of course it does. zeemike May 2015 #21

Oh for heaven's sake, are we STILL talking about this? Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #25

"That's materialism, not atheism." zeemike May 2015 #32

"That is hair spliting...the fact is that atheism basic principle is materialism." Warren Stupidity May 2015 #34

As could be an atheist and a materialist. zeemike May 2015 #39

Jesus Christ. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #45

Well materialism can be compatible with anything. zeemike May 2015 #51

No materialism is incompatible with beliefs in Warren Stupidity May 2015 #54

Well said content-wise, Warren Starboard Tack May 2015 #139

lead by example. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #140

Absolutely! Starboard Tack May 2015 #141

Not. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #143

Well, that is your choice, of course. Starboard Tack May 2015 #147

belief that matter is all there is is the basis of the belief that god could not exist AlbertCat May 2015 #94

This thread should come with an aversive side-effects warning... Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #35

So then is atheism a subset of materialism or the other way around? zeemike May 2015 #38

Why believe in something you have no proof of? Yorktown May 2015 #40

Don't say why, say why not. zeemike May 2015 #41

Scientific books evolve, sacred books don't Yorktown May 2015 #42

So what? zeemike May 2015 #43

Books full of errors and violence do not qualify as moral guides Yorktown May 2015 #44

That is because you think they should have written for a 20th century audience. zeemike May 2015 #56

"bible contains violence and injustice...but so does history books" Yorktown May 2015 #57

What does qualify as a morality guide? LTX May 2015 #60

Spinoza answered that question Yorktown May 2015 #61

An interesting combination of pith and vacuity. LTX May 2015 #78

So morality is defined by someone or something other than humans. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #87

The point of my post was the remarkably pithy yet vacuous summary of Spinoza's philosophic writings. LTX May 2015 #91

True, the Bible itself cannot be a moral reference point. Yorktown May 2015 #97

You say: "(A)n external observer with morality must do the job of distinquishing LTX May 2015 #122

Like most things human, morality is a complex mix Yorktown May 2015 #123

I find this a curious response. You seem unwilling to commit yourself to any vehicle for LTX May 2015 #145

If you say so Yorktown May 2015 #93

But the Fundies say it does zeemike May 2015 #101

Lukewarm believers have no doctrinal leg to stand on. Yorktown May 2015 #104

So you accept the logical fallacy of false dichotomy? zeemike May 2015 #106

It is a very real dichotomy, by definition. Yorktown May 2015 #109

So the answer is yes then. zeemike May 2015 #111

That's a cop out Yorktown May 2015 #112

So science is honest about it. That's what. gcomeau May 2015 #67

Yes those are the ideals of science...and should be. zeemike May 2015 #73

Saying people are stupid for not believing theories... gcomeau May 2015 #74

What people are you talking about? zeemike May 2015 #79

Ugh... gcomeau May 2015 #81

Well there is plenty to see. zeemike May 2015 #83

Classic dodge of the pseudosciences. gcomeau May 2015 #85

A dodge or not it is true. zeemike May 2015 #88

The thing about real life data? gcomeau May 2015 #89

It's not hidden. zeemike May 2015 #90

Sigh... youtube. Really? gcomeau May 2015 #95

Well i kind of figured I was wasting my time. zeemike May 2015 #98

Oh, one of us got their time wasted all right... gcomeau May 2015 #137

^^THAT^^ was absolutely brilliant! beam me up scottie May 2015 #144

Look, if you're *this* lost, I don't think I can help you. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #52

I did not ask for help. zeemike May 2015 #59

That's good, because I'm not offering. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #62

And I sure need introductory philosophy zeemike May 2015 #63

well at least you recognize your weaknesses. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #64

Obviously not. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #66

These kind of discussions always end in this condescending manner. zeemike May 2015 #99

You mean like calling scientific theories "magic" and part of our atheist "belief system"? beam me up scottie May 2015 #102

Oh what a terrible thing for me to say. zeemike May 2015 #103

It wasn't terrible. beam me up scottie May 2015 #107

But not so ignorant that I don't have an answer. zeemike May 2015 #110

It's not condescension. It's the truth. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #115

Condescension is always the truth to the condescender. zeemike May 2015 #116

If you say so. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #142

Does lack of belief in Bigfoot phil89 May 2015 #55

Yes it does. zeemike May 2015 #58

You really need to learn the difference... gcomeau May 2015 #68

Lack of belief and belief are opposite sides of the same coin. zeemike May 2015 #71

Well, I'm trying to decipher what the hell you were attempting to say... gcomeau May 2015 #72

Well it is not that complicated. zeemike May 2015 #76

Apparently it is, since you still can't undertand it. gcomeau May 2015 #77

And if a theist says "I believe god exists" what does that mean? zeemike May 2015 #80

It means they believe God exists. gcomeau May 2015 #82

So it was a trick question. zeemike May 2015 #100

How the hell is it a trick question?????? gcomeau May 2015 #105

No I answered that I don't know...and it was a trick question. zeemike May 2015 #108

No you did not. gcomeau May 2015 #113

Round and round in circles you go and I am supose to chace you. zeemike May 2015 #114

We are not going in circles. gcomeau May 2015 #117

Yes we are. zeemike May 2015 #118

Holy shit. gcomeau May 2015 #119

Holy shit indeed. zeemike May 2015 #124

The author seems to think FarrenH May 2015 #6

but because they're sexist AlbertCat May 2015 #96

Dawkins has said some horribly sexist things FarrenH May 2015 #120

About your take on Harris on Islam Yorktown May 2015 #121

How does that obviate the fact FarrenH May 2015 #125

You tend to confuse the holy texts and their interpretation. Yorktown May 2015 #126

I still think you're missing the point FarrenH May 2015 #148

Dawkins has said some horribly sexist things AlbertCat May 2015 #130

Perhaps the hyperbole FarrenH May 2015 #132

yes, he has said some sexist things. AlbertCat May 2015 #134

I'm not generally a defender of religion. Nitram May 2015 #7

A point that is too often lost in the fray. LTX May 2015 #33

But 'the philosophical framework of the religion' are themselves wrong Yorktown May 2015 #36

Viiolent jihad is not the philosophical framework of Islam. Nitram May 2015 #48

Fail: theologians distinguish 4 forms of jihad Yorktown May 2015 #50

Fail? Aren't you a tough guy. Nitram May 2015 #69

There is no cure for voluntary blindness Yorktown May 2015 #92

I'm blind because I corrrect your errors? You have an odd way of advancing a conversation. Nitram May 2015 #127

Again, you are (un?)voluntarily blind. Yorktown May 2015 #128

On the contrary, it was dishonest of you... Nitram May 2015 #129

You are a liar Yorktown May 2015 #131

Wasn't your point that violent jihad is part of the famework of the beliefs of all Muslims? Nitram May 2015 #133

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #135

Sorry, I confused you with an adult person. Nitram May 2015 #136

It's simple: Power corrupts. jomin41 May 2015 #8

Please give it a rest Roy Rolling May 2015 #9

This forum is for discussion of belief and non-belief. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #10

Posting an article is how atheists "proselytize"? trotsky May 2015 #14

Light and sound are both waves, so it's stupid easy to convert one to the other AtheistCrusader May 2015 #15

There's nothing speculative phil89 May 2015 #18

Was George Washington real? erlewyne May 2015 #11

The claim that the historicity of somebody resembling the jesus of the gospels Warren Stupidity May 2015 #12

What are you talking about? erlewyne May 2015 #16

It is one of the oldest. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #20

Why is religion fading in the west? erlewyne May 2015 #23

The teachings phil89 May 2015 #19

Admiring someone who is executed by an occupying army... Nitram May 2015 #22

a basic, fundamental tenant of christianity is that the man-god was sacrificed Warren Stupidity May 2015 #24

Warren, that's the view of the Catholic Church. Nitram May 2015 #46

The vast majority of Christians hold Warren Stupidity May 2015 #53

Your understanding of Christianity is rather limited if you think... Nitram May 2015 #70

My understanding of christianity is based on the historic origins of christianity Warren Stupidity May 2015 #84

Christianity's hiostoric origins were with numerous competing sects... Nitram May 2015 #86

I was just gonna say, there's a Gnostic church down the road from my house. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #146

Oh, you have original, in his own hand writings of Jesus? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #26

George Washington must have been real erlewyne May 2015 #28

No, no scribes wrote for Jesus. Most of the material that makes up AtheistCrusader May 2015 #31

Ugh... gcomeau May 2015 #27

Jesus had a Virgin mother. erlewyne May 2015 #29

And Harry had wizard parents. -eom gcomeau May 2015 #30

Here's Sean Illing's article. rug May 2015 #13

Sean Illing's comments are weird Yorktown May 2015 #37

I understand Illing's statement to implicitly include... NeoGreen May 2015 #47

I regret to say that.. Yorktown May 2015 #49

Some?... NeoGreen May 2015 #65

Absolute drivel. Sounds like a Faitheist to me. mr blur May 2015 #75

The answer is given by the title of this thread: muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #138