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Cirque du So-What

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49. I don't see a whole lot to disagree about, really
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:04 AM
Apr 2012

Yes, I know Kashmir was partitioned along religious lines, but I consider that secondary to the respective leaders' desire to make territorial gains.

As for the Balfour Declaration, I find the timeframe in which it was drafted to be especially pertinent. Zionism had been discussed prior to this, but in previous centuries, European kings and czars weren't too concerned. After all, they knew Jews in their respective realms could never gain any measure of real power. It was relatively easy to manipulate the people to start a pogrom, kill or run off everyone in the Jewish ghettoes, and take their property. I find it hard to believe that Lord Balfour's primary concern was the well-being of Jews in Europe; it was to get the US and Russia on-board with fighting the Triple Alliance. Up to the time of entry of the US and Russia, the war was a virtual stalemate which could have dragged on indefinitely. I attribute drafting the Balfour Declaration to realpolitik and not altruism.

Nothing with which to disagree on Hutu & Tutsi warfare. I freely admit that religion was used as a tool to create hatred among the respective peoples, but I hardly agree that it was the primary reason for years of warfare culminating in genocide. Remember, the Tutsi had held power for centuries - power that had more to do with full bellies than satisfied souls. I attribute the conflict to a struggle for power over all else.

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Is religion responsible for our wars? [View all] Thats my opinion Apr 2012 OP
I say no Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #1
Are we talking about religious beliefs or institutional religion? edhopper Apr 2012 #10
I can do without the 'absurd' shit Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #11
You read it as a stronger word than I intended. edhopper Apr 2012 #13
I'm not disagreeing that religion is used as a reason Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #18
Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq trotsky Apr 2012 #2
This. (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #3
Many Americans have said God is on our side always when we go to war.. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #4
It's still not a 'root cause' Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #12
Economics doesn't always explain everything. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #27
It explains why nations go to war Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #39
There are sometimes other reasons. Economics isn't always enough by itself. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #56
Examples? Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #59
And to many Republicans economics is religion. Capitalism was given to us by God. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #57
In high school TlalocW Apr 2012 #5
i agree that religion is rarely the CAUSE for the war, but it doesn't get off the hook so easily unblock Apr 2012 #6
maybe ... Capitalism??? zbdent Apr 2012 #7
WW II was not instigated because of elleng Apr 2012 #8
Hitler hated Jews - no question Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #14
And centuries of the Churches telling their congregations that the Jews killed Jesus edhopper Apr 2012 #16
Again, religion is used as an excuse Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #21
You haven't read his interviews Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #17
No, must have missed those Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #19
I wouldn't put him in the Judeo-Christian tradition Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #20
Yep Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #22
I get what you are saying about economics, I really do. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #23
Oh, I agree that religion is often used as a tool for war Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #24
That agreement was easy Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #25
Consider this, though hyphenate Apr 2012 #36
I don't believe that using religion as an excuse for war Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #40
So then you expect everyone to be a mindreader. hyphenate Apr 2012 #44
Follow the money Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #48
defines his own sense of Christianity, AlbertCat Apr 2012 #53
One important cause of WW II was the Treaty of Versailles ... Jim__ Apr 2012 #29
The European Theatre at least hyphenate Apr 2012 #35
Take a closer look, however, Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #41
I think you may be wrong intaglio Apr 2012 #9
Not disagreeing with the examples you cite Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #15
But then again, as an atheist edhopper Apr 2012 #26
Did you not see my 3rd paragraph? intaglio Apr 2012 #31
Ah, the partition... Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #42
No need for other examples intaglio Apr 2012 #47
I don't see a whole lot to disagree about, really Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #49
Balfour's declaration is fascinating intaglio Apr 2012 #52
That's my take on it as well Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #55
According to Mel Gibson, the answer is yes. n/t laconicsax Apr 2012 #28
Let me see if I can properly sum up what was so well stated in my history book Senior year... darkstar3 Apr 2012 #30
+1 I was gping to post but there's no point now. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #33
I say yes. hyphenate Apr 2012 #32
In this group? Yeah, pretty much. n/t Adsos Letter Apr 2012 #34
Thread winner! cbayer Apr 2012 #37
. Adsos Letter Apr 2012 #38
I'd red that for a DUzy that if I hadn't used my nomination for the week. ellisonz Apr 2012 #45
"None of these wars were instigated for any religious reason." onager Apr 2012 #43
As someone who has studied that exact topic intensely... ellisonz Apr 2012 #46
Worse. rug Apr 2012 #50
"Godless Commies?" "Everything I need to know about Islam... KansDem Apr 2012 #51
Religions may not be the root cause of wars... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #54
Well, Iraq/Afghanistan were sold to us to protect us from terrorism The Straight Story Apr 2012 #58
No - any more than nationality or ethnicity is always directly responsible for wars LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #60
The Dalai Lama disagrees with you skepticscott Apr 2012 #61
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