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Heddi

(18,312 posts)
10. Why are you referring to yourself in your last line?
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:37 PM
May 2015

I understand you're going to weasel-out and claim that because you didn't use quotes, you're not actually QUOTING him, but you're attributing comments to him that he never made. He never called prayer worthless, he never used the term "diddly squat" and he didn't call anyone a useless hypocritical POS.


Here are his actual words


"There’s a reason that the sick go to hospitals full of doctors and nurses when they need healing, instead of seeking out faith healers or priests, or staying home to pray as their only means of treatment. It’s because most believers realize that prayer isn’t an effective cure for anything. Even so, the religious are so quick to thank their god when they or loved ones recover from illnesses rather than show their gratitude to the men and women who made it their life’s work to treat the sick. Let’s be honest, if an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving god wants to heal the sick or let them die, what’s your prayer going to do? Aren’t you just telling him something he already knows? Aren’t you asking him for something he already knows you want? Isn’t your god going to do what he wants despite your pleas? Isn’t that your rationale when your prayers aren’t “answered”… that it was “God’s will”? So really, what’s the point? And that’s IF (a monumental IF) a deity exists and you’re praying to the right one, out of the >2000 that have been worshipped throughout human history."

"So now you’re thinking, “So what? What does it hurt that I want to pray for you?” It’s not that it hurts anything or anyone directly. Your prayers are your prerogative. By telling us you’re praying, you’re saying to us that you want to do something to help, and that’s appreciated. But the avenue of assistance that you’ve chosen is one that we feel is an ineffective one. You’re telling us, “I’m going to do something for you that has no value to you. I’m really doing it to make me feel like I’m helping.”

"So when you tell me you’re praying for Grayson, I’m going to be gracious and say thank you. But know this — your gesture does more to make you feel better than it does to comfort me or help my son fight for his life in his incubator. Everything does not happen for a reason, and my two children are anything but god’s plan. I feel grateful every single day for mankind’s scientific and medical advancements."

No "worthless," no "diddly-squat," no "useless hypocritical POS."

I mean, you can search the whole document. It's not there.

At least you let us know that anyone reading your post might appropriately regard your post as lashing out at any convenient target.

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I hope his son does well. cbayer May 2015 #1
Good letter. SheilaT May 2015 #2
There is absolutely no reason to think that people offer prayers as a substitute for cbayer May 2015 #4
"Religiously based relief agencies " generally use part of the money you mistakenly give them Warren Stupidity May 2015 #5
which secular NGOs do you mean as even MSF has overhead? Thanks and I an genuinely curious. uppityperson May 2015 #14
They all have overhead. That isn't the issue. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #18
thanks for the reply. I tried to volunteered for one, but was turned down only because wouldn't uppityperson May 2015 #22
No and that is all about choice yeoman6987 May 2015 #26
It's my observation that people who offer prayers SheilaT May 2015 #13
Your observations are consistent with your confirmation bias but not cbayer May 2015 #17
I am not the one saying people who pray are heinous. SheilaT May 2015 #20
Please provide a link to that study yeoman6987 May 2015 #27
I did not say anything about a study. SheilaT May 2015 #33
You made factual statements yeoman6987 May 2015 #34
Gosh. All factual statements need to be backed by a study? SheilaT May 2015 #39
You clearly said it was your observation. cbayer May 2015 #40
Despite your "invisible friend" snark, some people get guidance and strength from prayer cbayer May 2015 #35
What I am responding to is SheilaT May 2015 #41
What you say about those who believe in prayer are only your assumptions. cbayer May 2015 #42
To quote you: SheilaT May 2015 #44
You continue to make the same statement about people praying cbayer May 2015 #45
He's so cute...poor guy... AuntPatsy May 2015 #3
In conclusion... Warren Stupidity May 2015 #6
mmmhmmm Heddi May 2015 #9
Yes. Bugs23 May 2015 #12
Here's the end. rug May 2015 #21
Yep. okasha May 2015 #25
Makes sense. Hospitals are not cheap. Prayers are. truebrit71 May 2015 #29
Money is Of actual use, in this case. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #30
Not a paraphrase. okasha May 2015 #31
Still not something you put in double quotes. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #32
Stay classy. mr blur May 2015 #36
And what do you think would be more effective, prayer or money? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #37
"Don't pray for my son. Send me money." AlbertCat May 2015 #43
IF people want to help phil89 May 2015 #53
What's wrong with that? Goblinmonger May 2015 #48
I liked the assholes in the comment sections who were like Heddi May 2015 #7
"Your son has often been in my thoughts and I'm hoping everything turns out well" struggle4progress May 2015 #8
Why are you referring to yourself in your last line? Heddi May 2015 #10
Eh, I sorta had a bit of the same reaction that guy did, so .... moriah May 2015 #23
All those words and not one viable reason to lie about what the man said Heddi May 2015 #24
You actually think his "quote" was alledging that was their actual words? moriah May 2015 #38
WheN you insist on telling an atheist 'I'm praying for you' instead of AtheistCrusader May 2015 #46
And do all atheists have it tattooed on their forehead? moriah May 2015 #47
That persons entire online public identity is built around the public knowledge he is a atheist. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #49
Also, I love the implied 'you conform to my norm' in your objection. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #50
Some people pray anyway, even when they know you're not religious Rob H. May 2015 #51
Do they have to rub it in our faces? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #52
This wasn't just telling, even Rob H. May 2015 #54
That person should have sensed and been sensitive to your discomfort. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #65
I've had a similar experience. Mariana May 2015 #66
The best way I can think to describe it Rob H. May 2015 #68
Or, religious people could just go and pray privately Mariana May 2015 #67
Exactly. beam me up scottie May 2015 #77
you just described religious privilege Lordquinton May 2015 #83
Yes, I'm aware that I did. moriah May 2015 #88
so you claim to understand this privilege Lordquinton May 2015 #89
Why are you deliberately misrepresenting what he wrote? beam me up scottie May 2015 #90
What about the hateful bigots who smeared the father in this thread? beam me up scottie May 2015 #72
Eeww! Starboard Tack May 2015 #87
S4p turned criticism into invective. That wasn't a paraphrase. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #28
You're a very phil89 May 2015 #11
Seriously? Rob H. May 2015 #15
I did read it. phil89 May 2015 #55
Uh... Rob H. May 2015 #56
Oopsie. It's ugly when you think it's pointed at you, isn't it….. cbayer May 2015 #58
What a fascinating dialogue you just manufactured. Is there something you want to tell us? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #16
Nice letter goldent May 2015 #19
I wish them the best. hrmjustin May 2015 #57
Whatever you do, don't pray for them!! cbayer May 2015 #59
Well that doesn't bother me. hrmjustin May 2015 #60
When people say it to me, I hear "I care about you and I'm thinking of you". cbayer May 2015 #61
Yeah most understand it is a courtesy. hrmjustin May 2015 #62
Yes, there are those that are creepy - like "I'll pray for your salvation". cbayer May 2015 #63
yes. But simple prayers are just a courtesy. hrmjustin May 2015 #64
.... and to this couple, a complete waste of time... truebrit71 May 2015 #69
That is how they feel and they shpuld be respected. hrmjustin May 2015 #70
Exactly... truebrit71 May 2015 #71
Thank you for showing some class, justin. beam me up scottie May 2015 #73
Thank you and agreed. hrmjustin May 2015 #75
Agreed. truebrit71 May 2015 #76
Thanks, justin Rob H. May 2015 #79
My pleasure. hrmjustin May 2015 #80
How's the weather over there? truebrit71 May 2015 #74
I'm in Atlanta and it's been raining a lot. cbayer May 2015 #78
I can't believe how much shitflinging this guy's rather windy but honest letter has engendered here. MADem May 2015 #81
Thank fuck SOMEONE around here knows how to paraphrase. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #84
I am into "Live and let live." And I like little kids--they're some of the nicest, most honest MADem May 2015 #85
+1, done and done. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #86
I do get sick of hearing about god gwheezie May 2015 #82
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