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Igel

(37,613 posts)
19. It's always been wedded.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jun 2015

Because there is no religion apart from what the bearers of a religion and their leaders say it means.

Because there is no politics or ideology apart from what the bears of a political idea or ideology and their leaders say they mean.

Religion and politics are always united in every person that has both religious and political views. It wasn't entirely by accident or out of pure cynicism that Obama picked the church he did.

Thing is, when your religion and politics agree with somebody else's, you tend to think of them as separate. It's when they are at odds with yours they're suddenly horribly comingled in blasphemous and anti-social ways. Then again, the enemy is always immoral and evil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_movement is an example of a left/Xian movement that occurred just before the Religious Right. In fact, the Religious Right is sort of a reaction to the religious left. MLK was, after all, a religious figure and grounded his political ideolology in his religion, and he preceded the Jesus movement. Liberation theology is the same, again, hardly on the right, and certainly *before* the American religious right; it's parallel to but radically different from the Jesus movement.

The WCTU was religious. So was the abolitionist movement *before* WJ Bryan. They picked and chose elements of the NT and OT narrative to elevate above all others.

Left-liberal DUer Xians do the same thing. So do right-conservative people that I've met. It's not that they usually discount and discard what they don't want--push, and you find that they belatedly admit that there are those bits of text. They just don't think they're as important. (Some do just say, "I don't think that was part of the original Bible." Most of those are on the left, since disregard of tradition is more of a left than a right trait, at least until the American left had a lot of successes to defend. More, both right and left, find ways to defang annoyingly contrarian Bible text bits.)

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Lawmakers that deliberately pass obviously unconstitutional laws need to face a consequence. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #1
The GOP replaced Christianity as a religion a long time ago. xfundy Jun 2015 #3
That is not "Christianity" the GOP is pushing, that is classic fascism...we who know, know it. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #15
Funny, that's pretty much the same thing right-wingers say about liberal believers. trotsky Jun 2015 #18
At first I thought you were talking about the Hunky Jesus contest in SF xfundy Jun 2015 #2
A piece I came across on the contest led me to post. (aside) I like the sunglasses and the event. pinto Jun 2015 #5
You would think Christians would know what their main man looked like...and not to mention Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #16
It has been this way for some time. potone Jun 2015 #4
Easy to do bvf Jun 2015 #6
Under Reagen real power TM99 Jun 2015 #7
The religious right began wedding religion and politics. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #17
It's always been wedded. Igel Jun 2015 #19
They find one little bitty safeinOhio Jun 2015 #8
"a visceral, aggressive, in your face version" trotsky Jun 2015 #9
Republican Jesus? mr blur Jun 2015 #10
The christian right co-opted and redefined christianity to the point that many cbayer Jun 2015 #11
Oh, bullshit. The right didn't "redefine" Christianity. trotsky Jun 2015 #12
"Redefined Christianity". Yeah, that's what they did. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #13
You DO know who the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are....right? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #21
I DO and I LOVE them! Why? cbayer Jun 2015 #23
They are a lasting take away from my first visit to SF Pride. Along with the "dykes on bikes" lead. pinto Jun 2015 #29
Somewhere along the way: 28 October 312. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #14
Thanks for the link. I'm aware of the history. My OP was framed in my own personal experiences. pinto Jun 2015 #28
The point is that the NT is not being held hostage by the right Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #30
I think the angry warrior god persona of the OT and the Jesus persona of the NT are different. pinto Jun 2015 #31
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. trotsky Jun 2015 #32
I tried to point out to you that the warrior god jesus persona dates to at least 312. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #33
Choosing to see things as they are, instead of how one PREFERS them to be... trotsky Jun 2015 #34
Good points. Got them, you didn't fail. I think the Jesus story has been repeatedly co-opted. pinto Jun 2015 #35
tenants advocated by the historical Jesus. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #20
Did Jesus fight slumlords? cbayer Jun 2015 #22
Why do you make fun of people's typos... trotsky Jun 2015 #24
Doesn't bother me. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #25
That's good to know. trotsky Jun 2015 #26
I don't see much to gain by pointing them out. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #27
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