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muriel_volestrangler

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16. On environmentalists, and on the Pope for siding with them
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:25 AM
Jun 2015

'First Things' is a right wing religious journal. This piece for the Washington Post is similar to what the website is leading with at the moment, written by its editor:

THE RETURN OF CATHOLIC ANTI-MODERNISM

Commentators are sure to make the false claim that Pope Francis has aligned the Church with modern science. They’ll say this because he endorses climate change. But that’s a superficial reading of Laudato Si. In this encyclical, Francis expresses strikingly anti-scientific, anti-technological, and anti-progressive sentiments. In fact, this is perhaps the most anti-modern encyclical since the Syllabus of Errors, Pius IX’s haughty 1864 dismissal of the conceits of the modern era.
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Of course, God is exactly what modernity has forgotten, which means that it too is “not acceptable”—exactly Pius IX’s conclusion. The Syllabus of Errors is exquisitely succinct. Laudato Si is verbose. But in a roundabout way Francis makes his own case against the modern world.

One of the signal achievements of modernity has been the development of a scientific culture. It is now global in scope. In all likelihood it will serve as the unifying worldview that will undergird any future global consensus. At one point Francis calls for “one plan for the whole world.” If this comes to pass, the scientists and technocrats will formulate and administer it. The authoritarian consensus about global warming that actively suppressed dissent, as Climategate revealed, is a case in point.

Although he endorses the consensus view about global warming, in what may be an internal contradiction Francis describes “the scientific and experimental method” itself as part of the problem. It “is already a technique of possession, mastery, and transformation.” There’s not the slightest suggestion in Laudato Si that the modern scientist contemplates or savors the truths of nature. Science disenchants, measures, dissects, and otherwise prepares the world for us to dominate and control.

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/06/the-return-of-catholic-anti-modernism

Another article at First Things on global warming:

THE TRUTH ABOUT GREENHOUSE GASES

The object of the Author in the following pages has been to collect the most remarkable instances of those moral epidemics which have been excited, sometimes by one cause and sometimes by another, and to show how easily the masses have been led astray, and how imitative and gregarious men are, even in their infatuations and crimes,” wrote Charles Mackay in the preface to the first edition of his Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds . I want to discuss a contemporary moral epidemic: the notion that increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, notably carbon dioxide, will have disastrous consequences for mankind and for the planet. The “climate crusade” is one characterized by true believers, opportunists, cynics, money-hungry governments, manipulators of various types”even children’s crusades”all based on contested science and dubious claims.

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/06/the-truth-about-greenhouse-gases

And off he goes, with lots of talk of how an increase in CO2 couldn't possibly be a problem, and invocations of '1984' because the overwhelming majority of climate scientists say he's wrong.

This is part of the right wing plan to support the fossil fuel industry. They're saying that Francis is asking people to give up progress, and calling it "fascinating". This is like the bureaucrat's use of terms like 'brave' in 'Yes, Minister' to put off people considering change. Since their approach to their right wing evangelism is to say religion is good, they can't come right out at say "shut up, Francis, you'll lose us money, who do you think you are?" They're going with "oh, that Francis, he's so naive, thinking we can turn back progress".

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No, he doesn't ann--- Jun 2015 #1
In some ways he does and I agree with him. cbayer Jun 2015 #2
Sorry, not getting the ann--- Jun 2015 #7
I think we are talking past each other. cbayer Jun 2015 #9
Yes ann--- Jun 2015 #12
Again, I think I am not being clear. cbayer Jun 2015 #15
Then, why ann--- Jun 2015 #21
I didn't write that. It's the title of the article. cbayer Jun 2015 #25
So what tech would you like to "rollback"? How would you do that? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #27
Blah blah blah AlbertCat Jun 2015 #28
Blah blah blah cbayer Jun 2015 #30
I'm with you, it reads like a typically delusional hit piece n/t tech3149 Jun 2015 #3
A typically delusion hit piece on whom? cbayer Jun 2015 #5
on the pope of course tech3149 Jun 2015 #10
Well, it's not. It's is an entirely supportive piece on the pope and his stand on climate change. cbayer Jun 2015 #13
If that is the case ann--- Jun 2015 #22
It's been pointed out below that I may have misread the intent of this author. cbayer Jun 2015 #24
On environmentalists, and on the Pope for siding with them muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #16
Right-wing source? D'oh! n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #18
While the site and some of it's authors may have a conservative bent, this author cbayer Jun 2015 #19
There's no 'may' about it; First Things is primarily known as right wing muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #20
While that wasn't my take on it, I believe you. cbayer Jun 2015 #23
In other words, you're caught red-handed and utterly wrong skepticscott Jun 2015 #35
Here is what the encyclical itself says about climate change Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #31
It's a shame he did all that as a setup for an anti-abortion attack Lordquinton Jun 2015 #41
I don't think Mr. Armstrong read it in it's entirety. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #48
First, if you think that the encyclical was about abortion Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #51
Anti-abortion talk is hate speech Lordquinton Jun 2015 #57
I notice that you did not actually respond to what I wrote -- and boast of not reading it Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #62
This is so hilarious Lordquinton Jun 2015 #64
He sure does. trotsky Jun 2015 #4
On the contrary, the Pope is right on the money. Nitram Jun 2015 #6
That really is the point of the article. cbayer Jun 2015 #8
I'm afraid the author wasn't very clear about that. Nitram Jun 2015 #11
He was very clear about it, but not until one reads past the first few paragraphs. cbayer Jun 2015 #14
Of course he wants to roll back progress, he and his Church are active opponents of progress Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #17
“People no longer seem to believe in a happy future,” AlbertCat Jun 2015 #26
What do you understand about the catholic's view on end times? cbayer Jun 2015 #29
Do you think it predicts a happy future or not? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #32
You apparently care. cbayer Jun 2015 #33
You misunderstood. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #49
If you feel you can clarify it for him, please feel free. cbayer Jun 2015 #52
Lost in translation? Possibly. Reading with an agenda can often lead to that. Lordquinton Jun 2015 #59
Why the hell do you care? You've always told us that you're an atheist. mr blur Jun 2015 #38
Pope wants you to give up using your cars, and having your abortions. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #34
“valuing one’s own body in its femininity or masculinity.” trotsky Jun 2015 #36
Concern for the protection of nature Lordquinton Jun 2015 #37
Retrace our steps aka-chmeee Jun 2015 #39
I don't understand your response, but I'm pretty sure that is not what he was suggesting. cbayer Jun 2015 #40
The Pope is no saint, yet. safeinOhio Jun 2015 #42
This Pope has really safeinOhio Jun 2015 #43
While Rand was indeed an atheist her ideology that guides neolibs is Objectivism, not atheism. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #44
Atheism takes no position on economics, but she safeinOhio Jun 2015 #45
I note that you have changed the argument. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #46
Atheism can and does disagree with the god part safeinOhio Jun 2015 #47
I'm with you. cbayer Jun 2015 #54
I never thought my opinion of the papacy could sink lower Yorktown Jun 2015 #50
Do you believe that scientific and technological progress can be equated with the progress of cbayer Jun 2015 #53
Spot on. okasha Jun 2015 #55
Exactly. Equating them makes no sense. cbayer Jun 2015 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Lordquinton Jun 2015 #58
You are making the exact same error than the Pope Yorktown Jun 2015 #60
I don't understand the meaning of "progress" here, our problems are mostly caused by our short- Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #61
I don't think it's an all or none proposition. cbayer Jun 2015 #63
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