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In reply to the discussion: Pope Francis wants to roll back progress. Is the world ready? [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,358 posts)16. On environmentalists, and on the Pope for siding with them
'First Things' is a right wing religious journal. This piece for the Washington Post is similar to what the website is leading with at the moment, written by its editor:
THE RETURN OF CATHOLIC ANTI-MODERNISM
Commentators are sure to make the false claim that Pope Francis has aligned the Church with modern science. Theyll say this because he endorses climate change. But thats a superficial reading of Laudato Si. In this encyclical, Francis expresses strikingly anti-scientific, anti-technological, and anti-progressive sentiments. In fact, this is perhaps the most anti-modern encyclical since the Syllabus of Errors, Pius IXs haughty 1864 dismissal of the conceits of the modern era.
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Of course, God is exactly what modernity has forgotten, which means that it too is not acceptableexactly Pius IXs conclusion. The Syllabus of Errors is exquisitely succinct. Laudato Si is verbose. But in a roundabout way Francis makes his own case against the modern world.
One of the signal achievements of modernity has been the development of a scientific culture. It is now global in scope. In all likelihood it will serve as the unifying worldview that will undergird any future global consensus. At one point Francis calls for one plan for the whole world. If this comes to pass, the scientists and technocrats will formulate and administer it. The authoritarian consensus about global warming that actively suppressed dissent, as Climategate revealed, is a case in point.
Although he endorses the consensus view about global warming, in what may be an internal contradiction Francis describes the scientific and experimental method itself as part of the problem. It is already a technique of possession, mastery, and transformation. Theres not the slightest suggestion in Laudato Si that the modern scientist contemplates or savors the truths of nature. Science disenchants, measures, dissects, and otherwise prepares the world for us to dominate and control.
http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/06/the-return-of-catholic-anti-modernism
Commentators are sure to make the false claim that Pope Francis has aligned the Church with modern science. Theyll say this because he endorses climate change. But thats a superficial reading of Laudato Si. In this encyclical, Francis expresses strikingly anti-scientific, anti-technological, and anti-progressive sentiments. In fact, this is perhaps the most anti-modern encyclical since the Syllabus of Errors, Pius IXs haughty 1864 dismissal of the conceits of the modern era.
...
Of course, God is exactly what modernity has forgotten, which means that it too is not acceptableexactly Pius IXs conclusion. The Syllabus of Errors is exquisitely succinct. Laudato Si is verbose. But in a roundabout way Francis makes his own case against the modern world.
One of the signal achievements of modernity has been the development of a scientific culture. It is now global in scope. In all likelihood it will serve as the unifying worldview that will undergird any future global consensus. At one point Francis calls for one plan for the whole world. If this comes to pass, the scientists and technocrats will formulate and administer it. The authoritarian consensus about global warming that actively suppressed dissent, as Climategate revealed, is a case in point.
Although he endorses the consensus view about global warming, in what may be an internal contradiction Francis describes the scientific and experimental method itself as part of the problem. It is already a technique of possession, mastery, and transformation. Theres not the slightest suggestion in Laudato Si that the modern scientist contemplates or savors the truths of nature. Science disenchants, measures, dissects, and otherwise prepares the world for us to dominate and control.
http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/06/the-return-of-catholic-anti-modernism
Another article at First Things on global warming:
THE TRUTH ABOUT GREENHOUSE GASES
The object of the Author in the following pages has been to collect the most remarkable instances of those moral epidemics which have been excited, sometimes by one cause and sometimes by another, and to show how easily the masses have been led astray, and how imitative and gregarious men are, even in their infatuations and crimes, wrote Charles Mackay in the preface to the first edition of his Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds . I want to discuss a contemporary moral epidemic: the notion that increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, notably carbon dioxide, will have disastrous consequences for mankind and for the planet. The climate crusade is one characterized by true believers, opportunists, cynics, money-hungry governments, manipulators of various typeseven childrens crusadesall based on contested science and dubious claims.
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/06/the-truth-about-greenhouse-gases
The object of the Author in the following pages has been to collect the most remarkable instances of those moral epidemics which have been excited, sometimes by one cause and sometimes by another, and to show how easily the masses have been led astray, and how imitative and gregarious men are, even in their infatuations and crimes, wrote Charles Mackay in the preface to the first edition of his Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds . I want to discuss a contemporary moral epidemic: the notion that increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, notably carbon dioxide, will have disastrous consequences for mankind and for the planet. The climate crusade is one characterized by true believers, opportunists, cynics, money-hungry governments, manipulators of various typeseven childrens crusadesall based on contested science and dubious claims.
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/06/the-truth-about-greenhouse-gases
And off he goes, with lots of talk of how an increase in CO2 couldn't possibly be a problem, and invocations of '1984' because the overwhelming majority of climate scientists say he's wrong.
This is part of the right wing plan to support the fossil fuel industry. They're saying that Francis is asking people to give up progress, and calling it "fascinating". This is like the bureaucrat's use of terms like 'brave' in 'Yes, Minister' to put off people considering change. Since their approach to their right wing evangelism is to say religion is good, they can't come right out at say "shut up, Francis, you'll lose us money, who do you think you are?" They're going with "oh, that Francis, he's so naive, thinking we can turn back progress".
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Well, it's not. It's is an entirely supportive piece on the pope and his stand on climate change.
cbayer
Jun 2015
#13
While the site and some of it's authors may have a conservative bent, this author
cbayer
Jun 2015
#19
There's no 'may' about it; First Things is primarily known as right wing
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2015
#20
I notice that you did not actually respond to what I wrote -- and boast of not reading it
Fortinbras Armstrong
Jun 2015
#62
He was very clear about it, but not until one reads past the first few paragraphs.
cbayer
Jun 2015
#14
Of course he wants to roll back progress, he and his Church are active opponents of progress
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#17
Lost in translation? Possibly. Reading with an agenda can often lead to that.
Lordquinton
Jun 2015
#59
I don't understand your response, but I'm pretty sure that is not what he was suggesting.
cbayer
Jun 2015
#40
While Rand was indeed an atheist her ideology that guides neolibs is Objectivism, not atheism.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#44
Do you believe that scientific and technological progress can be equated with the progress of
cbayer
Jun 2015
#53
I don't understand the meaning of "progress" here, our problems are mostly caused by our short-
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2015
#61