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muriel_volestrangler

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20. There's no 'may' about it; First Things is primarily known as right wing
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:05 AM
Jun 2015

("Asking First Things to stop criticizing inane straw men amounts to telling them to stop publishing at all, and if that happened, where could preening pseudo-intellectuals trying to spiritualize their right-wing ideology go to reinforce their epistemic closure?" http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/10/17/7-things-9-oclock-10-17/ )

No, the article is not supportive of the pope challenging technology; it's ignoring huge parts of his message, in the hope of reducing it to "the pope says give up technology, just like the silly pope in this novel who banned trams!".

Other analyses of the encyclical talk extensively of the pope concentrating of the effects of environmental damage on the poor; but this article doesn't mention the poor, poverty or economics at all. It says:

Francis writes that “We should not be surprised to find, in conjunction with the omnipresent technocratic paradigm, the rise of a relativism,” which leads to sexual exploitation, abandonment of the elderly, and the taking of innocent life.

but it doesn't specify what that 'relativism' is. So it looks like the pope was saying "the omnipresent technocratic paradigm" "leads to sexual exploitation, abandonment of the elderly, and the taking of innocent life." Oooh, scary. Look at the encyclical, and we find what's missing.

122. A misguided anthropocentrism leads to a misguided lifestyle. In the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, I noted that the practical relativism typical of our age is “even more dangerous than doctrinal relativism”.99 When human beings place themselves at the centre, they give absolute priority to immediate convenience and all else becomes relative. Hence we should not be surprised to find, in conjunction with the omnipresent technocratic paradigm and the cult of unlimited human power, the rise of a relativism which sees everything as irrelevant unless it serves one’s own immediate interests. There is a logic in all this whereby different attitudes can feed on one another, leading to environmental degradation and social decay.

123. The culture of relativism is the same disorder which drives one person to take advantage of another, to treat others as mere objects, imposing forced labour on them or enslaving them to pay their debts. The same kind of thinking leads to the sexual exploitation of children and abandonment of the elderly who no longer serve our interests. It is also the mindset of those who say: Let us allow the invisible forces of the market to regulate the economy, and consider their impact on society and nature as collateral damage. In the absence of objective truths or sound principles other than the satisfaction of our own desires and immediate needs, what limits can be placed on human trafficking, organized crime, the drug trade, commerce in blood diamonds and the fur of endangered species? Is it not the same relativistic logic which justifies buying the organs of the poor for resale or use in experimentation, or eliminating children because they are not what their parents wanted? This same “use and throw away” logic generates so much waste, because of the disordered desire to consume more than what is really necessary. We should not think that political efforts or the force of law will be suffi- 92 cient to prevent actions which affect the environment because, when the culture itself is corrupt and objective truth and universally valid principles are no longer upheld, then laws can only be seen as arbitrary impositions or obstacles to be avoided.

http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/06/18/laudato-si-chapter-three-the-human-roots-of-the-ecological-crisis/

So the pope was actually talking about a relativism of short term gain, with many effects, mostly economic, or people doing things for gain. But the writer has left out that, and the explicit description of the 'relativism', to leave the non-economic effects, and make it look as though the pope is blaming technology for them.

The writer is trying to cast the pope as a naive hippy, who says technology is to blame for the world's ills. He ignores the parts of the message about economic exploitation, and paints the message of the encyclical as a call for "a life of self-sacrifice". It doesn't actually support challenging the fossil fuel industry. It just notes that Francis challenges it. It also notes he calls for "true world political authority", but later says "of course, neither a one-world authority nor a thriftier use of electricity nor a ban on trains can solve the spiritual crisis Francis foresees".

Oh yes, this is nefarious, all right. It's been carefully written to paint the encyclical as well-meaning but impractical, and to shift the blame to just technology rather than capitalism and consumption.

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No, he doesn't ann--- Jun 2015 #1
In some ways he does and I agree with him. cbayer Jun 2015 #2
Sorry, not getting the ann--- Jun 2015 #7
I think we are talking past each other. cbayer Jun 2015 #9
Yes ann--- Jun 2015 #12
Again, I think I am not being clear. cbayer Jun 2015 #15
Then, why ann--- Jun 2015 #21
I didn't write that. It's the title of the article. cbayer Jun 2015 #25
So what tech would you like to "rollback"? How would you do that? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #27
Blah blah blah AlbertCat Jun 2015 #28
Blah blah blah cbayer Jun 2015 #30
I'm with you, it reads like a typically delusional hit piece n/t tech3149 Jun 2015 #3
A typically delusion hit piece on whom? cbayer Jun 2015 #5
on the pope of course tech3149 Jun 2015 #10
Well, it's not. It's is an entirely supportive piece on the pope and his stand on climate change. cbayer Jun 2015 #13
If that is the case ann--- Jun 2015 #22
It's been pointed out below that I may have misread the intent of this author. cbayer Jun 2015 #24
On environmentalists, and on the Pope for siding with them muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #16
Right-wing source? D'oh! n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #18
While the site and some of it's authors may have a conservative bent, this author cbayer Jun 2015 #19
There's no 'may' about it; First Things is primarily known as right wing muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #20
While that wasn't my take on it, I believe you. cbayer Jun 2015 #23
In other words, you're caught red-handed and utterly wrong skepticscott Jun 2015 #35
Here is what the encyclical itself says about climate change Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #31
It's a shame he did all that as a setup for an anti-abortion attack Lordquinton Jun 2015 #41
I don't think Mr. Armstrong read it in it's entirety. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #48
First, if you think that the encyclical was about abortion Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #51
Anti-abortion talk is hate speech Lordquinton Jun 2015 #57
I notice that you did not actually respond to what I wrote -- and boast of not reading it Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #62
This is so hilarious Lordquinton Jun 2015 #64
He sure does. trotsky Jun 2015 #4
On the contrary, the Pope is right on the money. Nitram Jun 2015 #6
That really is the point of the article. cbayer Jun 2015 #8
I'm afraid the author wasn't very clear about that. Nitram Jun 2015 #11
He was very clear about it, but not until one reads past the first few paragraphs. cbayer Jun 2015 #14
Of course he wants to roll back progress, he and his Church are active opponents of progress Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #17
“People no longer seem to believe in a happy future,” AlbertCat Jun 2015 #26
What do you understand about the catholic's view on end times? cbayer Jun 2015 #29
Do you think it predicts a happy future or not? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #32
You apparently care. cbayer Jun 2015 #33
You misunderstood. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #49
If you feel you can clarify it for him, please feel free. cbayer Jun 2015 #52
Lost in translation? Possibly. Reading with an agenda can often lead to that. Lordquinton Jun 2015 #59
Why the hell do you care? You've always told us that you're an atheist. mr blur Jun 2015 #38
Pope wants you to give up using your cars, and having your abortions. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #34
“valuing one’s own body in its femininity or masculinity.” trotsky Jun 2015 #36
Concern for the protection of nature Lordquinton Jun 2015 #37
Retrace our steps aka-chmeee Jun 2015 #39
I don't understand your response, but I'm pretty sure that is not what he was suggesting. cbayer Jun 2015 #40
The Pope is no saint, yet. safeinOhio Jun 2015 #42
This Pope has really safeinOhio Jun 2015 #43
While Rand was indeed an atheist her ideology that guides neolibs is Objectivism, not atheism. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #44
Atheism takes no position on economics, but she safeinOhio Jun 2015 #45
I note that you have changed the argument. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #46
Atheism can and does disagree with the god part safeinOhio Jun 2015 #47
I'm with you. cbayer Jun 2015 #54
I never thought my opinion of the papacy could sink lower Yorktown Jun 2015 #50
Do you believe that scientific and technological progress can be equated with the progress of cbayer Jun 2015 #53
Spot on. okasha Jun 2015 #55
Exactly. Equating them makes no sense. cbayer Jun 2015 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Lordquinton Jun 2015 #58
You are making the exact same error than the Pope Yorktown Jun 2015 #60
I don't understand the meaning of "progress" here, our problems are mostly caused by our short- Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #61
I don't think it's an all or none proposition. cbayer Jun 2015 #63
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