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trotsky

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209. Yes, quite.

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:53 PM

Aug 2015

The old theologians and prophets testify that the soul has been yoked to the body as a punishment and that it is imprisoned in it as though in a tomb. When the danger is so great that death has become the hope, then despair is the hopelessness of not being able to die.

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Science has proved the existence of God [View all] SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 OP

You may be confusing ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #1

are you an expert on confusion or SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #5

Both. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #126

I will trust you on the drink SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #128

LOL! mmonk Aug 2015 #205

? SamKnause Aug 2015 #2

here it is - proof of God SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #12

Based on that proof, can you tell us what properties God has? Jim__ Aug 2015 #19

found this back in 1992 SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #21

please define God ORjohn Aug 2015 #28

ok SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #31

Time and God ORjohn Aug 2015 #106

sorry - this went over my head SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #110

That's the question I asked. Jim__ Aug 2015 #45

Has yet to be answered Lordquinton Aug 2015 #69

for answers - see above SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #72

Those don't answer the question Lordquinton Aug 2015 #75

If you have a question I would like to explore it SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #80

How about your definition Lordquinton Aug 2015 #93

I would consider my view in the area of an igtheist SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #98

So you're definition would be that god is undefineable by humans Lordquinton Aug 2015 #137

Do you enjoy telling people what they think? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #142

Do you enjoy dodging questions? Lordquinton Aug 2015 #183

So you are an ighteist but you think god has been proven mathematically? Goblinmonger Aug 2015 #140

I said nothing about what I believe - jump to conclusions often? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #143

No, not at all. Goblinmonger Aug 2015 #164

dig deeper SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #166

And I have no need Goblinmonger Aug 2015 #182

You're assuming dying is a bad thing saturnsring Aug 2015 #94

It is if I prefer to live Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #135

'what properties God has?'--> I think he owns the Vatican nt HFRN Aug 2015 #57

Now this is a bit of humor that I enjoy SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #70

That aint science that's what you would call "Philosophy"... uriel1972 Aug 2015 #23

thank you for your opinion SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #24

No offence, but where is your testable data?... nt uriel1972 Aug 2015 #33

i am so very sorry that this post went over your head SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #34

Your lack of understanding of the scientific method is disturbing.... uriel1972 Aug 2015 #44

I have little respect for one who would put mathematics... SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #53

As a scientists, I would like to tell you: DetlefK Aug 2015 #67

Close SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #68

That depends how we define reality. DetlefK Aug 2015 #79

very very very nice SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #82

The limits of consciousness... Tricky. DetlefK Aug 2015 #173

Mathematics is a useful tool to model the behaviour of the universe... uriel1972 Aug 2015 #99

Many great minds would and have raised objections to this kind of thinking SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #102

I'm not sure... gcomeau Aug 2015 #52

This post went over your head also SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #55

So... Playing games then. Gotcha. -eom gcomeau Aug 2015 #65

not so SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #73

Tomato... tomahto... gcomeau Aug 2015 #86

Ok - try this SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #89

I refer you to the link I posted earlier. -eom gcomeau Aug 2015 #90

You too can play... uriel1972 Aug 2015 #95

not very well SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #105

Which god are we discussing here? tecelote Aug 2015 #177

My dog has proven the existence of Mr. Squeaky Pig shenmue Aug 2015 #3

good dog SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #8

:) shenmue Aug 2015 #10

Of course there is a god, how else do you explain Donald Trump's hair? AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #4

hair loss and SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #9

Science has proven the existence of NATURE. elleng Aug 2015 #6

looks like different bands of ... SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #7

Bachalpseeflowers +. elleng Aug 2015 #11

It is called 'outdoors'. I highly recommend trying it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #14

enjoy your vacation SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #17

Oh, I do. And I will for as long as I can. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #18

Utter nonsense. Maedhros Aug 2015 #13

Yet it has - here it is SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #15

That's mathematics which is a philosophy, not a science. Maedhros Aug 2015 #20

are you serious? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #22

I'll show you what I got ... Trajan Aug 2015 #30

most people are afraid of mathematics SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #32

99% of statistics are made up on the spot. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #54

small responce to a importand issue SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #56

Mathematics? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #59

spelling error SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #74

Yeah, I have another. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #92

My computer paints bad spelling in red SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #107

Oh, so you're not afraid of spelling, then? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #179

Mathematics is entirely abstract, a creation of the human mind. Maedhros Aug 2015 #42

no - no - no - yes - yes SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #76

Yes - you are annoying and your posts are without merit. Maedhros Aug 2015 #101

thank you for you judgement SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #103

It's logic, and convoluted, but the SEP link up above makes it quite clear that Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #26

are you serious? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #27

Yes. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #47

you are so silly SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #50

If it's not about god, why did you post it here in the Religion group? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #58

to watch the atheits bounce on their heads and SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #61

So you are just trolling then? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #63

It seems to me that they are the trolls in a group that is about religion SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #87

It seems to me Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #96

Do you have anything positive to say about any religious ideas? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #100

Just to satisfy your curiousity.... Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #117

Yes it is a sad situation SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #118

Your claim in your op title is nonsense. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #62

My claim? not so SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #85

Ruth's Theorem Cartoonist Aug 2015 #201

Please note that G�del completely arbitrarily called this entity "God". DetlefK Aug 2015 #71

oh and so very much more SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #114

No, it's not completely arbitrary. Jim__ Aug 2015 #155

wow - one post out of 150 that relates to the subject SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #158

And now look up his definition of God and his premises that allow his God to exist. DetlefK Aug 2015 #174

The conclusion follows from the argument. Jim__ Aug 2015 #175

Please have a look at the original paper and you will see otherwise: DetlefK Aug 2015 #178

You have to pay attention to terminology. Jim__ Aug 2015 #180

My bad. But there are still counter-examples. DetlefK Aug 2015 #181

Again, you are citing behaviors. Jim__ Aug 2015 #188

When behaviours are inherent, they are properties. DetlefK Aug 2015 #189

We need not concern ourselves about inherent behaviors. Jim__ Aug 2015 #197

But the proof doesn't mention that only moral properties count as properties. DetlefK Aug 2015 #200

Denying G�del's stated restrictions on the set doesn't accomplish anything. Jim__ Aug 2015 #203

It's not about the proof itself but whether it can be translated from math to reality. DetlefK Aug 2015 #204

These points have all been discussed already. Jim__ Aug 2015 #206

LOL trotsky Aug 2015 #196

I must say here that we are moving closer to the point SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #208

Yes, quite. trotsky Aug 2015 #209

Only if God doesn't want to be perceived by us. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #16

Maybe God just wants to make it difficult demwing Aug 2015 #25

Ockham's Razor. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #29

you are so easy SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #35

I'm not the one postulating a mean god that screws with the 'rabble'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #36

I think you dragging you baggage into a post about mathematics SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #37

Lol. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #38

crusader and dictator? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #39

No idea. Tell me all about it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #40

WELL HERE IS YOUR CHANCE SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #41

Just three? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #43

Well that seemed to satisify. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #60

I am not a them SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #112

Most likely, I am concerned with a different aspect of perceiving reality than you, so what is AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #138

are you interested in the topic of axiomatic structures and proofs or ... SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #144

If they are useful or potentially useful. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #146

and you do not know? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #149

No, because the paradox cannot be proven. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #150

you answer with conviction about something that do not understand SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #152

Yes, and I offered you a classic objection to it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #159

are those the only choices? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #160

there are four lights. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #165

There must be a god SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #167

How long did you think i'd humor you, asking passive aggressive insulting questions like that? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #168

wait wait SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #169

I shall oblige. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #170

Wow! and I thought you were on vacation. SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #210

ROFL AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #211

I was just joking dude demwing Aug 2015 #46

Explain 'joke'? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #49

Your Nobel Prize awaits! trotsky Aug 2015 #48

A small answer responce to... SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #51

I am sorry you are sentenced to live on this planet with all of us small-minded folks. trotsky Aug 2015 #81

now that is not nice - nor true SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #84

Nope! trotsky Aug 2015 #91

You mean G�del's proof? He proved the existence of some entity he arbitrarily called "God". DetlefK Aug 2015 #64

could it be otherwise? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #113

Just to show you how completely unrealistic and ridiculous this proof is: DetlefK Aug 2015 #136

But the macbook said it was true! AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #139

DetlefK - your words mean nothing - great minds see importance in this proof SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #147

Well, God exists in the fictional universe G�del created for his proof. Not in our universe. DetlefK Aug 2015 #172

thanks for the definitions for the symbols. edhopper Aug 2015 #161

yes but science and words! Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #116

can you be truthful? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #127

These things are always proof until you ask for proof. Then they're entertainment. Iggo Aug 2015 #66

you use the word twice - and still do not get the point SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #78

But the assumptions his proof is based on are unrealistic. Take a look! DetlefK Aug 2015 #83

Do you realise how incredibly smug and irritating you are? Or is that the point? mr blur Aug 2015 #88

I try to point out the limits to our understand and you see that as smug? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #97

It's a typo HassleCat Aug 2015 #77

Even with a physics degree, I've found that my God is a piece of Coconut pie at the Amish bakery... BlueJazz Aug 2015 #104

very cute mr physics SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #108

Only my complete ignorance of the subject. I did come up with some ideas years ago but realized.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #123

never heard it voiced that way SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #125

Seems like somebody always beats me to the finish line, whether it's with strings (theory) or beads. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #129

now that was something of beauty SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #130

any god that was not a piece of coconut pie at the amish bakery would be less Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #109

so you do understand SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #111

that the ontological proof is coprolite? Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #115

Hands soleft a dictionary... nt uriel1972 Aug 2015 #121

more of your baggage SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #124

14 Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #119

that is all you got SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #120

Considering that it's a reply to an 8 word OP. gcomeau Aug 2015 #131

are you not able to read the whole thread? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #132

You mean the thread... gcomeau Aug 2015 #133

'twas not an answer in substance, but an answer in kind. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #141

sad that you think that an exploration of axiomatic structures is gibberish SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #148

Some are less 'structure' than others. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #151

o great one - your wisdom has left me almost speachless SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #153

Well, I can disprove your proof in one paragraph. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #162

funny clown SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #163

FWIW (And I don't know why I bother telling you this) Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #171

Wow. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #184

not quiet at all - took it private SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #186

One could ask that of the OP. Oh wait, that's your post. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #193

I'd be lying if I said it wasn't mostly for the lulz. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #202

I made a mistake. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #192

Proof denies Faith,,, uriel1972 Aug 2015 #122

what do you mean edhopper Aug 2015 #134

Joke - put in to keep the dumb down SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #145

okay edhopper Aug 2015 #156

guess you enjoyed unapatriciated Aug 2015 #154

have not seen it SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #157

I would accept Turbineguy Aug 2015 #176

Oh. I get it edhopper Aug 2015 #185

nothing SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #187

Oh, quit your babbling already. bvf Aug 2015 #190

wonderful edhopper Aug 2015 #191

Did you suddenly forget what capital letters are for? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #194

I dind it interesting that the only posts you don't reapond to Lordquinton Aug 2015 #195

you dind? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #199

There are a lot of people... MellowDem Aug 2015 #198

I thought it was shown libodem Aug 2015 #207