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TygrBright

(21,415 posts)
6. Not only can they, but it's a 'best practice,' if done correctly.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 02:43 PM
Sep 2015

But a lot of employers fail to do it, because it's difficult to do it correctly.

The *correct* way to do this, is to lay out the activities and times for performing them that are bona fide requirements- that is, you really can't perform the job effectively without being able to do them. (Right there, you run into problems in some places, because employers don't always understand that 'bona fide' implies 'what it would take to perform this job based on objective and reasonable criteria' rather than 'what it would take to perform it the way I believe it should be performed.')

Then you ask the job applicant, in pretty much *exactly* this language: "Would you be able to carry out this/these tasks, on the necessary schedule?"

The prospective employee is then free to say (for example) "all except the third Thursday and Friday in September every year, when I would need to have an exception to the regular work schedule."

The employer is then free to either a) negotiate that exception as part of the employment agreement, in which case they are responsible for making that accomodation now and and forever and may NOT use it as an excuse for discipline or termination; or b) say "We cannot accommodate that, and thus cannot offer you this job."

If done correctly, this negotiation process results in a win/win for the employer and employee.

How NOT to do it: You never, EVER ask anything about what might prevent someone from carrying out the bona fide requirements of the job, and you never IMPLY anything about why you think someone might/might not be able to do so. Not verbally, CERTAINLY not in writing on the interview notes, not in queries to a reference, etcetera.

It doesn't matter if you can see that the applicant is hugely pregnant- probably within four weeks of delivery- and the first major bona fide tasks they'll need to undertake involve travel and many hours of training and/or rigidly scheduled activity within the first 90 days, you are NOT allowed to even refer to that pregnancy.

You explain the requirements, ask the applicant, and take their word for it, EVEN IF they don't choose to tell you "My c-section is scheduled next week and my mother and brother live with me and will be providing full-time care for the infant and I plan to be up and around and working my ass off almost immediately." Even if they just nod, and say, "Yep, I can do that." You must then take their word for it, and if your doubts are such that you really believe they CAN'T do it, you'd better find some other reason for not hiring them (such as the perennial 'we preferred this other applicant,') and never even mention the huge pregnancy and the doubts about it.

The applicant is not obliged to explain ANY reasons why they want to negotiate an accommodation.

The employer is required to take the applicant's word for it that they won't need an accommodation, without question.

But far and away too many employers try to elicit information, make implications, etcetera, referring to things like the graduation date on someone's resume, the religious nature of a school listed, the ethnic derivation of a last name, their marital status, how many kids they might have, etc., and wander into the minefield, so they leave out the "requirements/ capability/ accommodation" part of the discussion altogether in the interests of safety.

And then have to deal with unpleasant surprises down the road.

informatively,
Bright

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NEVER! Cartoonist Sep 2015 #1
That's not the law. rug Sep 2015 #3
I was responding to the question. Cartoonist Sep 2015 #5
The essay, rather lengthy, answers it. rug Sep 2015 #7
So you're calling cartoonist foolish Lordquinton Sep 2015 #8
You, and the jury you'll alert, would know if I called him a fool. rug Sep 2015 #9
"Don't you get tired of your jury games?" Says the guy who alert stalked while on forced vacation. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #10
I find it interesting that that is your only comment, albeit a stupid one, on the OP. rug Sep 2015 #12
Is that the Callous Dolts? Or the Dallas Colts? Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #13
See #12. rug Sep 2015 #14
Lol, exactly! cleanhippie Sep 2015 #15
Someone seems bitter Lordquinton Sep 2015 #16
Yup, bitter indeed! cleanhippie Sep 2015 #20
Are you bitter that you can't post cartoons with impnity in here any more? rug Sep 2015 #22
Bitter you can't post right wing sources with impunity here anymore? Lordquinton Sep 2015 #37
Bitter you can come up with nothing of substance so you're reduced to pousting ad hominem bullshit? rug Sep 2015 #39
Don't you get the fact that this poster was responding with his/her own opinion... Silent3 Sep 2015 #19
Opinions, to be considered, should be informed by facts. rug Sep 2015 #21
Facts about current law don't add much... Silent3 Sep 2015 #23
If you're talking about religion and American society, the hell it does. rug Sep 2015 #24
Referring to the article could be part of defending having a different view... Silent3 Sep 2015 #25
Or, it could be what i said: read the article which answers the question. rug Sep 2015 #27
Although the question was "When does your religion legally excuse you from doing part of your job?" Silent3 Sep 2015 #40
Except privilege is an important part of this case Lordquinton Sep 2015 #30
The law is what curbs privilege. rug Sep 2015 #31
"The law is what curbs privilege." Lordquinton Sep 2015 #34
Of course it is. Oh, wait, you didn't read the article. rug Sep 2015 #35
"At the risk of diverting you from posting smileys" Lordquinton Sep 2015 #36
Her? The one put in jail by the law? rug Sep 2015 #38
Maybe if this were the HoF, or the AA room your comment would matter Lordquinton Sep 2015 #47
Do you think gender matters only in the HoF? rug Sep 2015 #48
I don't deny that cruz and i are both male Lordquinton Sep 2015 #56
That's a start. rug Sep 2015 #57
Looks like you touched a nerve. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #41
Oh my lord, we've got us a defender of the dreadful Kim. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #43
Yep! Atheists are criticizing her so they must be wrong! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #45
If you get that ot if this thread, you're deeper in the hole than I thought. rug Sep 2015 #51
And who is that, Warren? Or are you reverting to make-up-shit mode? rug Sep 2015 #50
And people who claim persecoution for their (non)beliefs don't like to know their legal remedies. rug Sep 2015 #49
this doesn't even relate to the case at hand. when she got the job, there was no gay marriage. unblock Sep 2015 #26
But her job requires her to follow the law of the land as well Lordquinton Sep 2015 #29
i'm not defending her, her arguments are certainly terrible. unblock Sep 2015 #32
If you want her "to follow the law of the land", maybe you shold know what that is. rug Sep 2015 #33
Like a dolt of lightning, the mysterious 'u' key failure occurs right down thread. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #44
Warren, we were wrong Lordquinton Sep 2015 #46
What is a miracle is that you claim to be gided by reason. rug Sep 2015 #52
The Problem with that is that she knew very well that the laws can change LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #42
The infinite array of possible religious objections based on rule of God are all made irrelevant by....the rule of law. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #2
Can a prospective employer ask an applicant about her willingness/ability to perform certain jobs? Jim__ Sep 2015 #4
Not only can they, but it's a 'best practice,' if done correctly. TygrBright Sep 2015 #6
Thanks. That makes sense. Good interviewing should avoid problems - n/t Jim__ Sep 2015 #11
Then the employer could be strolling EvilAL Sep 2015 #18
There has to be a line drawn somewhere EvilAL Sep 2015 #17
No, the line is far from clear. I posted the article because it's the most concise smmary of the law rug Sep 2015 #28
How about this one: PassingFair Sep 2015 #53
Interesting they chose to photoshop a picture with a Sikh in it. rug Sep 2015 #58
Yeah, I'm sure there are EvilAL Sep 2015 #55
Interesting article. drm604 Sep 2015 #54
That's an interesting thought, have the Office, not the official, register. rug Sep 2015 #59
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