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nichomachus

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7. This "religious beliefs" bullshit is getting out of control

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:06 PM

Sep 2015

As a potential employee, you need to find out the requirements of the job and determine whether you can meet them. If you can't, don't apply for the job. If you do, you're being dishonest.
It's really not that hard.

I once had a guy apply for a job as a sports reporter covering high school sports -- but he couldn't work Friday night or Saturday. Guess when 90 percent of high school sports are played.

So basically, I would have been paying him for sitting around on his ass all week.

If You have restrictions on your time -- for any reason, not just religious -- you need to make that clear during the interview, not after you accept the job.

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Suit: Job offer pulled after religious accommodation request [View all] rug Sep 2015 OP

After some soul searching... katsy Sep 2015 #1

Wow. Okay... Hortensis Sep 2015 #51

Okay what? katsy Sep 2015 #52

Katsy, I pushed the button by accident. I thought I'd backed away Hortensis Sep 2015 #64

Its a fine line. katsy Sep 2015 #68

Well, for all the noise around it, note that people are NOT able to use Hortensis Sep 2015 #70

You are correct. katsy Sep 2015 #72

You caught me by surprise, Katsy. I'm geared to be contrary. Have a very nice day. Hortensis Sep 2015 #73

And I know when I'm wrong katsy Sep 2015 #75

No, please, YOU should have a better day. Hortensis Sep 2015 #76

Wow! What a wonderful sub thread. Thanks, you two. longship Sep 2015 #84

I don't know about around the Twin Cities Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #2

Oopsie! They aren't allowed to do that. longship Sep 2015 #3

What bull nichomachus Sep 2015 #5

"I care if you can work during the times I'm hiring you to work." rug Sep 2015 #6

Actually it is nichomachus Sep 2015 #9

Actually, it isn't. rug Sep 2015 #13

Those are all isolated events that happen to everyone, even atheists Fumesucker Sep 2015 #33

These "isolated events" happens thosdands of times a day in every workplace. rug Sep 2015 #37

It's hard not to lose some respect for you when you start sandbagging on intelligence Fumesucker Sep 2015 #43

Very few businesses have that policy. rug Sep 2015 #53

That's why the government needs to mandate it Fumesucker Sep 2015 #69

That's what the EEOC is doing in this case. rug Sep 2015 #74

It seems that somebody thinks temporary and Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #40

It's sad watching a person waste a good intellect defending the indefensible Fumesucker Sep 2015 #44

And yet it happens all day long, every single day. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #45

I think some smart people are prone to getting into feedback loops Fumesucker Sep 2015 #47

Or their just plain assholes. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #49

... Fumesucker Sep 2015 #50

You, of all people, should be cautious using that word. rug Sep 2015 #63

How about you just point out the flaw in the argument instead of musing about trolling. rug Sep 2015 #62

Some people are just convinced that their shit doesn't stink. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #66

And some are just compelled to toss it. rug Sep 2015 #67

It seems that somebody does not read very well. rug Sep 2015 #61

I would be upset if I had to extra weekend shifts so somebody else could be off Friday and Sat Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #10

No, I wouldn't. I would be upset if the boss didn't hire enogh workers to get the job done. rug Sep 2015 #14

He did hire enough, but some don't work weekend nights, so now there are not enough Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #16

And if someone needs an accommodation, be it for religion or disability, she gets it. rug Sep 2015 #22

If someone needs a reasonable accommodation they get it. What's "reasonable" is the question. Silent3 Sep 2015 #36

That is precisely the qestion. rug Sep 2015 #38

My problem is the difference between protection and accomodation. Silent3 Sep 2015 #39

Thats the key, self-imposed limitations. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #48

"Am I to view religious beliefs as a form of disability?" cleanhippie Sep 2015 #46

Um! That would be religious discrimination. longship Sep 2015 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author snagglepuss Sep 2015 #30

It isn't a first amendment issue. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #41

Well, that is why the EEOC is involved. longship Sep 2015 #42

So...if a hospital happened to hire (unknowingly) 25 doctors and nurses, people would have to fend.. BlueJazz Sep 2015 #4

This "religious beliefs" bullshit is getting out of control nichomachus Sep 2015 #7

Ah, so you are a boss. rug Sep 2015 #8

Well thanks for making a sweeping unsupported judgment nichomachus Sep 2015 #12

Free exercise clause. First amendment. Pretty simple actually. longship Sep 2015 #17

The only sweeping unsppoted judgments I see are in yor posts. rug Sep 2015 #20

I'm not so sure being a boss means he is anti workers rights Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #15

Tell that to an Orthodox Jew or a Seventh Day Adventist. longship Sep 2015 #19

Jews and Seventh Day Adventists are welcome to work there teenagebambam Sep 2015 #28

There is two issues here, my friend. longship Sep 2015 #35

So if one is hired to work the 3rd shift M-F because they applied for that position... cleanhippie Sep 2015 #54

That is not an analogous situation. longship Sep 2015 #56

But that's my point, why is this being considered discrimination at all? cleanhippie Sep 2015 #57

Well, the EEOC filed the case. longship Sep 2015 #59

Why should believing in one of those religions be the only reason you can't not hire them? cleanhippie Sep 2015 #55

"Can't not hire them"??????? longship Sep 2015 #58

I feel like you are intentionally ignoring my questions to you. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #71

Yes, but only to the extent that it does not violate federal law. longship Sep 2015 #77

Read my post below concerning the details of the case, below. longship Sep 2015 #80

One day... MellowDem Sep 2015 #18

In the sweet by and by rug Sep 2015 #21

Religious accommodation is discrimatory towards non-believers Lordquinton Sep 2015 #65

Do they give their Jewish employees that same sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, and do they give Squinch Sep 2015 #23

I would be interested to know if she "relented" after consulting with a pastor Adsos Letter Sep 2015 #24

The article doesn't say but this is the SDA stated position: rug Sep 2015 #25

Hospitals, clinics, etc., as well as schools. Adsos Letter Sep 2015 #26

I think you're right about the police and fire departments. It's a logical extension. rug Sep 2015 #27

. Adsos Letter Sep 2015 #29

The answer is "yes". She relented, and then the offer was withdrawn. longship Sep 2015 #85

Thank you, longship. Adsos Letter Sep 2015 #86

Anyone wanting to work in the health care field, SheilaT Sep 2015 #31

I agree completely. Ilsa Sep 2015 #32

Perhaps she should apply for a job SoCalNative Sep 2015 #34

The key issue here is TIMING. TygrBright Sep 2015 #60

It's worse than that, Bright. longship Sep 2015 #81

VERY low. Also *stupid.* TygrBright Sep 2015 #82

Here are the details, from the EEOC. longship Sep 2015 #78

Thanks for finding the details. rug Sep 2015 #79

You're welcome, rug. Glad to oblige. longship Sep 2015 #83