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Yorktown

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28. The presenter of this video said something quite asinine (@3:00+)
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 07:54 PM
Oct 2015

"if you want to know about Islam, ask a Muslim"
By the same token:
"if you want to know about Nazism, ask a Nazi"
"if you want to know about Maoism, ask a Mao"
"if you want to know about Christianity, ask a Crusader"

Islam, as it is understood today thanks to billions of petrodollars invested in a literalist reading, is currently imperialistic. Most muslims today will give a far more narrow minded than -say- the mutazilas would have in the 8th to 10th century.

But I doubt the presenter of this video even knows who the mutazilas were.

The movement emerged in the Umayyad Era, and reached its height in the Abbasid period. After the 10th century, the movement declined. It is viewed as heretical by some scholars in modern mainstream Islamic theology for its tendency to deny the Qur'an being eternal, and to allow for the possibility of free will and thus opposing the strict determinism of mainstream thought. In contemporary jihadism, supposed allegations of being a mu`tazili have been used between rivalling group as a means of denouncing their credibility.




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Why limit it to Islam? Cartoonist Oct 2015 #1
Just say it: Sam Harris is a racist warmonger bananas Oct 2015 #3
Excuse me? Cartoonist Oct 2015 #4
The article in the OP was written by Sam Harris. bananas Oct 2015 #5
Then respond to the OP Cartoonist Oct 2015 #7
No mistake, I was responding to you. nt bananas Oct 2015 #9
Could you elaborate? Cartoonist Oct 2015 #10
And it was also written by Maajid Nawaz. Who are you saying he's racist against? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #17
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, former Muslim, is apparently racist against Muslims too. trotsky Oct 2015 #18
I heard Leslie Hazelton (white) call Ayaan Hirsi Ali (black) a racist Yorktown Oct 2015 #29
That appears to be the desired effect. trotsky Oct 2015 #34
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: a war promoter and the darling of right-wing war-mongering atheists cpwm17 Oct 2015 #31
But is she racist against Muslims? trotsky Oct 2015 #33
I wouldn't think so. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #35
Do you think her experience growing up Muslim should be dismissed? n/t trotsky Oct 2015 #36
She is just one person out of over 1.5 billion people that have grown up Muslim cpwm17 Oct 2015 #37
Would you say she lies more or less than Reza Aslan? n/t trotsky Oct 2015 #38
Cenk Uygur on Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and to a lesser extent Sam Harris: cpwm17 Oct 2015 #32
Islam is a race? trotsky Oct 2015 #11
Heh! Usually I see this arguement in the form... stone space Oct 2015 #12
Are you really loading up with "Islam is a race" ammo? cleanhippie Oct 2015 #13
Offensive and false. stone space Oct 2015 #14
Inoffensive and true. cleanhippie Oct 2015 #15
Couching every statement that you make... stone space Oct 2015 #20
Hemmingway said you should write drunk and edit sober. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #21
Wow, you're in full-auto right now. cleanhippie Oct 2015 #23
Offensive and false, but........ stone space Oct 2015 #24
Your usual incoherence has devolved into stupefyingly funny madness. cleanhippie Oct 2015 #25
Aw geez, you're back again already? trotsky Oct 2015 #16
But Islam ISN'T a race, is it? Surely even you know that? mr blur Oct 2015 #19
Well I'd like to discuss those religions who are destroying antient artifacts yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #26
You probably saw I disrespect most religions Yorktown Oct 2015 #27
Sam Harris Tricks Naive Atheists Into Being Neocons bananas Oct 2015 #2
The presenter of this video said something quite asinine (@3:00+) Yorktown Oct 2015 #28
Sam Harris is a neocon asshole. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #6
Exercpt here casts serious doubt Harris is a neocon Yorktown Oct 2015 #30
The problem with Sam Harris is similar to Hitchens towards the end, and a lot of people... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #8
Sam Harris is awful. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #22
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