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Yorktown

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42. Well, school attendance is mandatory. Any problem with that?

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:19 AM

Oct 2015

Let's not get bogged down on discussing the merits or absence thereof of singing anthems.

My only contention was that if a secular activity is deemed mandatory, it trumps religion.
And if I read you correctly, we agree on that.

As to the merits af any secular activity, it can be decided upon by means of democracy.
So the value or lack of it of singing anthems is for the people to decide.
But once it's been decided upon -taht or any other secular rule- it must be adhered to

That is were we apparently differ (secular group activities must be *mandatory&quot
If an activity is deemed mandatory (like school attendance), then it IS mandatory.
Unless kids individually decide to go to school or not.
But then it's not democracy anymore, it's anarchy.

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Australia: Fury as Muslim students allowed to walk out of assembly during national anthem [View all] Yorktown Oct 2015 OP

How you define religious beliefs as "whims" and "fancies" using Muslims as example, is so cute. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1

I did not make the title. Does it change the issue? Yorktown Oct 2015 #2

If by "shared secular values" you mean the national anthem at a school then....YES! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #4

You assume wrongly, I do not have a great regard for Christianity either Yorktown Oct 2015 #7

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Your 'work' here is to sow confusion? Yorktown Oct 2015 #19

Oh goody, combatting religion with nationalism. rug Oct 2015 #3

LOL another rug-ian strawman Yorktown Oct 2015 #5

What is more interesting is how easily the right wing source you excerpted rug Oct 2015 #6

One in particular. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #9

I have no 'bias against religions'. I have a bias against the religions that are harmful Yorktown Oct 2015 #10

"I have no 'bias against republicans. I have a bias against the republicans that are harmful" rug Oct 2015 #12

Yet another rug-ian deflection from the discussion into an ad hominem Yorktown Oct 2015 #18

I don't know how you feel about republicans at all. rug Oct 2015 #21

Then your comparison is totally off the mark Yorktown Oct 2015 #23

Ah, you consider Muslims and Christians to be worse than republicans. rug Oct 2015 #26

No. Islam and Christianity are worse than 'Republicanism' Yorktown Oct 2015 #28

My, who knew! The Democratic Party mst trn its sights on Muslims and Christians immediately! rug Oct 2015 #31

No. You are voluntarily wrong. Again. Yorktown Oct 2015 #33

Is the RNC platform worse than the Quran? rug Oct 2015 #34

Read both texts. The RNC platform does not call for stonings and beheadings. Yorktown Oct 2015 #36

So, you prefer the RNC platform to the Quran? rug Oct 2015 #37

Do you prefer the Quran to the RNC platform? Yorktown Oct 2015 #38

A lot of prattle but nowhere near an answer. rug Oct 2015 #39

No. I question your religion. You have no answers. Simple as that. Yorktown Oct 2015 #41

I question your xincerity. Particlarly when you spend five paragraphs avoiding an answer. rug Oct 2015 #45

Coming from you? Really? Yorktown Oct 2015 #48

And you still continue to provide no answer. rug Oct 2015 #62

That's pretty rich from someone who called my reasoning garbage Yorktown Oct 2015 #63

Tu quoque is a fallacy. Most often, a signal the discussion is over. rug Oct 2015 #64

Learn your Latin, it's not a "tu quoque". Yorktown Oct 2015 #65

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non sequitur Yorktown Oct 2015 #67

Ineptias. rug Oct 2015 #68

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"silliness, folly, absurdity". Yep. And you translated it as "inept"/ rug Oct 2015 #72

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They are not required to sing. They could have simply stood silently. snagglepuss Oct 2015 #11

So you would recommend cancelling Christmas holidays, in this ideal secular state? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #16

Why not? You have my vote on that. Yorktown Oct 2015 #30

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It's a simple matter of precedence Yorktown Oct 2015 #35

What??? gcomeau Oct 2015 #40

Well, school attendance is mandatory. Any problem with that? Yorktown Oct 2015 #42

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