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In reply to the discussion: Australia: Fury as Muslim students allowed to walk out of assembly during national anthem [View all]Yorktown
(2,884 posts)77. Ironic you should mention the golden rule and a two-way respect about Islam
1/ Islam only applies the golden rule among believers
Believers and non-believers are never on an equal footing, save for some Meccan verses which are by muslim canonic Law superseded by the far more divisive and violent Medinan verses. Modern apologists try to find some quotes which might fit the bill, but they never quite hit the mark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule#Islam
Anyway, the golden rule certainly doesn't seem to apply to women:
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
2/ there is no two-way respect in Islam:
Believers and non-believers are explicitly unequal:
Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)
Believers (in Islam) are the good guys:
Ye are the best of peoples (..) believing in Allah. (3:110)
While non believers in muhamad and Allah are scum:
Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Respect is a two way street when the two parties agree on it. The Quran doesn't.
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Australia: Fury as Muslim students allowed to walk out of assembly during national anthem [View all]
Yorktown
Oct 2015
OP
How you define religious beliefs as "whims" and "fancies" using Muslims as example, is so cute.
Fred Sanders
Oct 2015
#1
If by "shared secular values" you mean the national anthem at a school then....YES!
Fred Sanders
Oct 2015
#4
I have no 'bias against religions'. I have a bias against the religions that are harmful
Yorktown
Oct 2015
#10
"I have no 'bias against republicans. I have a bias against the republicans that are harmful"
rug
Oct 2015
#12
My, who knew! The Democratic Party mst trn its sights on Muslims and Christians immediately!
rug
Oct 2015
#31
I question your xincerity. Particlarly when you spend five paragraphs avoiding an answer.
rug
Oct 2015
#45
So you would recommend cancelling Christmas holidays, in this ideal secular state?
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Oct 2015
#16
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Oct 2015
#47
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#60
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#46
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Oct 2015
#59
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BlueJazz
Oct 2015
#53