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Yorktown

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77. Ironic you should mention the golden rule and a two-way respect about Islam
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:36 AM
Oct 2015

1/ Islam only applies the golden rule among believers

Believers and non-believers are never on an equal footing, save for some Meccan verses which are by muslim canonic Law superseded by the far more divisive and violent Medinan verses. Modern apologists try to find some quotes which might fit the bill, but they never quite hit the mark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule#Islam

Anyway, the golden rule certainly doesn't seem to apply to women:

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."


2/ there is no two-way respect in Islam:

Believers and non-believers are explicitly unequal:
Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Believers (in Islam) are the good guys:
Ye are the best of peoples (..) believing in Allah. (3:110)

While non believers in muhamad and Allah are scum:
Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

Respect is a two way street when the two parties agree on it. The Quran doesn't.


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How you define religious beliefs as "whims" and "fancies" using Muslims as example, is so cute. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1
I did not make the title. Does it change the issue? Yorktown Oct 2015 #2
If by "shared secular values" you mean the national anthem at a school then....YES! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #4
You assume wrongly, I do not have a great regard for Christianity either Yorktown Oct 2015 #7
Freedom of speech also includes the freedom to remain silent. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #8
It is not speech Yorktown Oct 2015 #13
I get the confused emoticon response a lot....my work here is done. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #14
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Your 'work' here is to sow confusion? Yorktown Oct 2015 #19
Oh goody, combatting religion with nationalism. rug Oct 2015 #3
LOL another rug-ian strawman Yorktown Oct 2015 #5
What is more interesting is how easily the right wing source you excerpted rug Oct 2015 #6
One in particular. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #9
I have no 'bias against religions'. I have a bias against the religions that are harmful Yorktown Oct 2015 #10
"I have no 'bias against republicans. I have a bias against the republicans that are harmful" rug Oct 2015 #12
Yet another rug-ian deflection from the discussion into an ad hominem Yorktown Oct 2015 #18
I don't know how you feel about republicans at all. rug Oct 2015 #21
Then your comparison is totally off the mark Yorktown Oct 2015 #23
Ah, you consider Muslims and Christians to be worse than republicans. rug Oct 2015 #26
No. Islam and Christianity are worse than 'Republicanism' Yorktown Oct 2015 #28
My, who knew! The Democratic Party mst trn its sights on Muslims and Christians immediately! rug Oct 2015 #31
No. You are voluntarily wrong. Again. Yorktown Oct 2015 #33
Is the RNC platform worse than the Quran? rug Oct 2015 #34
Read both texts. The RNC platform does not call for stonings and beheadings. Yorktown Oct 2015 #36
So, you prefer the RNC platform to the Quran? rug Oct 2015 #37
Do you prefer the Quran to the RNC platform? Yorktown Oct 2015 #38
A lot of prattle but nowhere near an answer. rug Oct 2015 #39
No. I question your religion. You have no answers. Simple as that. Yorktown Oct 2015 #41
I question your xincerity. Particlarly when you spend five paragraphs avoiding an answer. rug Oct 2015 #45
Coming from you? Really? Yorktown Oct 2015 #48
And you still continue to provide no answer. rug Oct 2015 #62
That's pretty rich from someone who called my reasoning garbage Yorktown Oct 2015 #63
Tu quoque is a fallacy. Most often, a signal the discussion is over. rug Oct 2015 #64
Learn your Latin, it's not a "tu quoque". Yorktown Oct 2015 #65
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non sequitur Yorktown Oct 2015 #67
Ineptias. rug Oct 2015 #68
Garbage, inept, your choice of words about me could not be more civil.. Yorktown Oct 2015 #69
Your translation is awful. rug Oct 2015 #70
No, Sir. Yorktown Oct 2015 #71
"silliness, folly, absurdity". Yep. And you translated it as "inept"/ rug Oct 2015 #72
Garbage, absurd, your epithets about my reasoning could not be more civil Yorktown Oct 2015 #73
Do you prefer vinagrette or ranch with your salad? rug Oct 2015 #74
What is vinagrette? And when was Moses born? Yorktown Oct 2015 #75
Which ones are not "suspects"? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #15
Benevolent and godless spiritualities can be Yorktown Oct 2015 #29
They are not required to sing. They could have simply stood silently. snagglepuss Oct 2015 #11
So you would recommend cancelling Christmas holidays, in this ideal secular state? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #16
Why not? You have my vote on that. Yorktown Oct 2015 #30
Ummm, who gives a crap? gcomeau Oct 2015 #32
It's a simple matter of precedence Yorktown Oct 2015 #35
What??? gcomeau Oct 2015 #40
Well, school attendance is mandatory. Any problem with that? Yorktown Oct 2015 #42
Bullshit it is. gcomeau Oct 2015 #43
I do not see what core value you are trying to defend? Yorktown Oct 2015 #44
So do you think Jehovah's Witnesses and Atheists should be forced to recite the Pledge of... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #47
Tricky issue Yorktown Oct 2015 #49
I'm going to have to strongly disagree, mandatory pledges, anthems, whatever, they serve as... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #60
I think allowing people to take a day off for a religious holiday is acceptable, why be angry... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #46
Exceptions made on religious grounds are a slippery slope Yorktown Oct 2015 #50
You seem needlessly alarmist. There are such things as reasonable accomodations... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #59
I hope you are right and that I am an alarmist Yorktown Oct 2015 #61
We impose Sharia Law here in the US school system HassleCat Oct 2015 #51
I am all for rescinding any such 'rights' to Christian fundies Yorktown Oct 2015 #52
As an Australian citizen, I have absoluely no idea how I feel about it. There's so many points.. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #53
Granted, it a tricky question Yorktown Oct 2015 #54
Oh yes, I know what you're saying. I'm an Atheist but am hesitant to force just about anything on... BlueJazz Oct 2015 #55
But if I create the Holy Church of don't-tax-me? Yorktown Oct 2015 #56
You say you think the anthem should be mandatory. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #57
I share your doubts Yorktown Oct 2015 #58
Diversity JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #76
Ironic you should mention the golden rule and a two-way respect about Islam Yorktown Oct 2015 #77
The Fundamentalist Fury of Nationalism. stone space Nov 2015 #78
Aw, did the nationalists get mad at the religionists again? Iggo Nov 2015 #79
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