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In reply to the discussion: How can religious moderates be said to enable hateful fundamentalists? [View all]bananas
(27,509 posts)29. As I pointed out, you can replace "faith" with just about anything
His statement is a logical fallacy, and one that's easily seen through.
As I pointed out, you can replace "faith" with just about anything, such as "past experience":
If you invoke past experience as justification for your belief, you must accept the same from others. And every person who retreats to past experience bears a measure of responsibility for every act of hate and violence justified by it.
Have you ever invoked past experience as justification for your beliefs? Then you bear a measure of responsibility for every act of hate and violence justified by it.
How about "justice":
If you invoke justice as justification for your belief, you must accept the same from others. And every person who retreats to justice bears a measure of responsibility for every act of hate and violence justified by it.
Vigilantes invoke "justice" for their beliefs - so if you invoke "justice" for your beliefs, you're responsible for every act of hate and violence by vigilantes.
etc etc.
I'm glad we agree that science is just a tool - unfortunately some do believe it's the be-all end-all source of complete knowledge.
You say "Science doesn't make claims ..." but the statement isn't about claims made by science, it's about claiims made by people:
If you invoke x as justification for your belief, you must accept the same from others. And every person who retreats to x bears a measure of responsibility for every act of hate and violence justified by it.
You wrote,
I may defend a position by saying "the science supports me on this,"
If you take a postion, if you believe it's the right position, and you defend that position by saying "the science supports me on this", then you are using science as justification for your belief.
If you take a postion, if you believe it's the right position, and you defend that position by saying "past experience supports me on this", then you are using past experience as justification for your belief.
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How can religious moderates be said to enable hateful fundamentalists? [View all]
trotsky
Apr 2012
OP
You either didn't read or didn't understand your own "rebuttal". It makes my point perfectly!
dmallind
Apr 2012
#34
Thoroughgoing religious liberalism in no way enables fundamentalism.
E_Pluribus_Unitarian
Apr 2012
#20
That's a gigantic caveat you just tried to tack on innocuously at the end there!
trotsky
Apr 2012
#43
Of course, I never said they couldn't. So bully for the brilliant dispatch of that straw man.
trotsky
Apr 2012
#46
So given the fact that groups of freethinkers/skeptics/atheists and individuals gave their open
humblebum
Apr 2012
#58
I was not aware that the Constitution had any teeth outside of the Unites States, and
humblebum
Apr 2012
#61
Christianity has been reforming for two thousand years and continues to reform
Leontius
Apr 2012
#74
Making heavy use of helicopters painted in the color black, I'm sure.
2ndAmForComputers
Apr 2012
#76