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Atheism not really a religion but a belief system, says creationist Ken Ham [View all] Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 OP

That's the great thing about atheism: No suspension of disbelief is necessary. DetlefK Nov 2015 #1

Someone's going out kicking and screaming... gelatinous cube Nov 2015 #12

At least he is honest about calling all the other religions false edhopper Nov 2015 #2

That guy is such a fucking doofus. Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #3

Of course, just like Evolution is a fairy story with no basis in reality, mr blur Nov 2015 #4

I wonder how our resident apologists feel about being in the same camp as Ham? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #5

I think they are speechless. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #6

Speechless, but always watching... trotsky Nov 2015 #8

That makes me so angry! mr blur Nov 2015 #9

LMAO!!! n/t trotsky Nov 2015 #10

I had understood YOUR view to be that only the ignorant thought "Atheism is a religion" struggle4progress Nov 2015 #7

In your world where up is down, your opinion makes sense. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #11

I was number 5 guillaumeb Nov 2015 #13

Juror 2 must have been using hermeneutics Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #15

How many layers of meaning ARE there in the text? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #20

Thanks. I love how #2 loves the Google too! cleanhippie Nov 2015 #16

Some here are very quick on the alert button. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #21

I agree, but I didn't call anyone names. Some have sensibilities like delicate snowflakes... cleanhippie Nov 2015 #22

What a poetic metaphor! guillaumeb Nov 2015 #23

You misunderstand - Ham says atheism is a religion; Christianity Today got the headline wrong muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #18

Frankly, I can't make heads or tails of this. I have no use for Ham, but his statement that struggle4progress Nov 2015 #19

BEst line ever, and true randys1 Nov 2015 #76

I find Ken Ham touching Yorktown Nov 2015 #14

Cute. Dumb, but cute. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #17

Ham, "as impenetrable as marble"? Yorktown Nov 2015 #24

And believes every word and uses every word to generate hate and intolerance randys1 Nov 2015 #77

No, no, no, no, no... PatrickforO Nov 2015 #28

Ken -box jellyfish- Ham Yorktown Nov 2015 #33

Well, he's half right. Iggo Nov 2015 #25

Atheism and cosmology HassleCat Nov 2015 #26

Never thought about that. old guy Nov 2015 #29

And the ark was built by Halliburton HassleCat Nov 2015 #30

You don't know that either. Leontius Nov 2015 #35

Being that there is zero evidence for it, Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #36

Nope Leontius Nov 2015 #37

That's good. Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #39

Depends on your definition of "creationism"? Leontius Nov 2015 #41

wiki gives a pretty simple definition Yorktown Nov 2015 #42

Well, there are different myths about creation Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #43

Some folks have other ways of googling Lordquinton Nov 2015 #44

Hoped to see some evidence of really wanting to engage in a discussion and this is how you respond. Leontius Nov 2015 #45

OK. Fair enough. I'll own that. My apologies. Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #47

I believe that God created the Universe and has and still does interact with us. Leontius Nov 2015 #49

But the "why" is irrelevant, and presupposes the existence of a creator god... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #52

We disagree on the relevance of the "why" Leontius Nov 2015 #54

"It just happened" (or it just is) is the answer regardless if you believe in a god or not. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #59

God is hard so let's just ignore it as an a possible answer. Leontius Nov 2015 #60

What we have is no evidence for god and some mad 'holy' books Yorktown Nov 2015 #61

Do you believe that dark matter exists? Leontius Nov 2015 #62

We have evidence for 'dark matter' and 'dark energy' Yorktown Nov 2015 #63

No there is no evidence of either. Leontius Nov 2015 #64

You are either disingenuous or ill informed Yorktown Nov 2015 #66

Do you believe they exist? Leontius Nov 2015 #70

OK, done, you are willfully deaf to what I am telling you Yorktown Nov 2015 #73

Tell me again if you want it will not change the fact that dark matter is an unkown, unexplained Leontius Nov 2015 #78

The key word you try hard not to read is observable effect Yorktown Nov 2015 #82

I've seen your problem from the start . Leontius Nov 2015 #83

Someone's definitely holding their blankie tight here. trotsky Nov 2015 #85

Yes, the blanket of facts and empiracle evidence is one that should be held tightly. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #94

Tell yourself that Yorktown Nov 2015 #104

I have no problem that there is no generaly accepted scientific evidence or observation for God. Leontius Nov 2015 #105

Because you use weasely speech Yorktown Nov 2015 #106

Even your favorite wiki calls them 'unknowns'. Leontius Nov 2015 #109

No, the best way is skepticscott Nov 2015 #65

I disagree. God is the easy way out. Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #67

I agree with you that God can be used in that way by some people. Leontius Nov 2015 #69

God is huge step away from an explanation for existence. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #71

Which God are you talking about? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #72

you seem to have abandoned your interrogatory on the evidence for dark matter. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #74

At what point did you reach such a ridiculous conclusion? Leontius Nov 2015 #79

Do you think flying invisible space unicorns are an equally valid hypothesis? n/t Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #80

Right so nobody chomped down on your bait. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #81

It seems the only thing hard about the god concept you are describing Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #88

Other. Ways. Of. Knowing. mr blur Nov 2015 #95

I don't understand how you get that I am saying "well dark matter means there is a god" Leontius Nov 2015 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Nov 2015 #107

Post #88 by Goblinmonger says exactly that Leontius Nov 2015 #108

Tell a lie then self delete the next day to avoid admitting you're lying and avoid apologizing. Leontius Nov 2015 #112

24 hours and still silence. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #96

But God has been disproved many times as a cause for things Lordquinton Nov 2015 #84

I guess that's true HassleCat Nov 2015 #38

Ken Hamm, is that you? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #40

There is evidence contrary to a Biblical creation, the Universe is... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #46

Contrary to a literal Biblical Creation, we both agree to that. Leontius Nov 2015 #48

If a god interacts with the universe in any way, its in a way that never... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #50

I'm not sure how you arrive and your definition that prevents God to interact. Leontius Nov 2015 #55

If that's the case, then why presuppose that a god exists in the first place? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #56

Runs both ways though so the ground you stand on is no more or no less solid than where I stand. Leontius Nov 2015 #57

Not so, my position is to not make assumptions, I certainly don't claim that any deity... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #58

Ahh, the old 'you can't prove it doesn't exist' fallacy. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #68

Ah, the old "You can't prove it exists fallacy" stone space Nov 2015 #86

So do you just take aim at cleanhippie because you don't like him? Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #87

Sorry, but I don't talk gunspeak. stone space Nov 2015 #89

So metaphors are offensive? Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #90

Why do you keep calling yourself an unbeliever? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #91

It's an obsessive-compulsive need, GM. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #97

It clearly has to be Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #98

Or in this case, words that mean nothing at all. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #99

Pointing and laughing real classy behavior for some one who claims to be an educator. Leontius Nov 2015 #103

I was talking about how a militant atheist Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #110

You seemed to me to imply that that was your whole attitude about what I've been saying. Leontius Nov 2015 #111

Not at all. It was a reaction to the person who continues to claim to be a militant atheist. Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #113

Ah, the old incoherent, unintelligible response. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #92

Jeez man, put your weapons down. trotsky Nov 2015 #101

So your claim is that your god interacts in this universe but that it does so Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #75

I think he's using those 'other ways of knowing' again. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #93

Well that and his theory adds an additional Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #100

Ken Ham is a pretty dangerous guy. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #27

That's a happy Australian accent. (nt) mr blur Nov 2015 #32

I'm glad he's not here any more... uriel1972 Nov 2015 #34

Ken, old buddy, I just believe in one less God than you do. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #31

No, numbnuts, it's the absence of any belief system. Warpy Nov 2015 #51

>>> What Warpy said >>> Grey Nov 2015 #53

It's not a "belief system". It's called "science". Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #114