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phantom power

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Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:51 PM Nov 2015

A Modest Proposal: The world needs a new Bible, a new Torah, and a new Quran. [View all]

This is an idea I have been kicking around for a few years now, and the latest round in the endless game of "are religious extremists 'legitimate' members of Religion-X?" makes me feel like now is as good a time as any to bring it up.

It is no secret that something like 99% of the members of any religion are not dangerous extremists, but that all of them subscribe to some Holy Text that has, by virtue of historical baggage, some amount of content that extremists always, always love to latch onto. Whenever a bunch of extremists start to give the rest of them a bad rap, in the name of some bits and pieces of ancient text, it generates all this friction.

Well, what if the 99% actually did something about that, and gave their holy texts a good, major, modern editing? Just to take the Christian bible as the example I'm most familiar with, what if Christians excised, say, most or all of the Old Testament, and Revelations? I mean, take the whole "new testament supercedes the old testament covenants" thing seriously.

No, I am not proposing that this will solve all of humanity's problems with religion, and give us an extremist-free utopia, but I am proposing that it would get real traction on at least a couple problems. (1) it would side-step this useless counterproductive debate about whether extremists are "real" members of Religion X, because these people would no longer have the cover of iron-age tribal texts to fall back on. (2) It would go some way to de-weaponizing religion. If your holy book doesn't contain any iron-age baggage, that's all the fewer ways for people to latch onto said obsolete iron-age baggage. And if they do, they don't get to pretend they have the backing of Religion X. At best, they have to officially identify with an obsoleted extremist sect. They can't pretend that they are just following the same text as the other sane 99%.

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perhaps organized religion has lost its value Angry Dragon Nov 2015 #1
In my perfect world, everybody would find their own path to atheism phantom power Nov 2015 #2
I have the same question. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #3
I wish I knew. I have a couple tentative ideas. phantom power Nov 2015 #4
It was organized by a committee at the Council of Nicaea anyway. Ordered by Constantine. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #6
Yes, but all that stuff is safely in the distant past... phantom power Nov 2015 #7
Your Council of Nicaea thing has been debunked over and over and over and over again. Leontius Nov 2015 #14
Then why did we talk about it in Old Testament class? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #16
To be fair, Leontius is -partly- right Yorktown Nov 2015 #19
Many things were discussed by the Bishops in attendance. Leontius Nov 2015 #20
The fact remains Nicaea I did discuss canonical matters Yorktown Nov 2015 #22
Nicaea did not contribute to the setting of the Canon that is fact. Leontius Nov 2015 #23
Karen Armstrong disagrees with you, if I recall correctly Yorktown Nov 2015 #24
And I should care what her mistaken idea is because Leontius Nov 2015 #25
Given that your original sweeping statement about Nicaea I was misleading, don't push it Yorktown Nov 2015 #26
My original statement was exactly what occured at the Council Leontius Nov 2015 #27
Your are just trying to obfuscate the fact your original statement was dead wrong Yorktown Nov 2015 #32
I have made no error in my description of the actions taken by the Council concernig Biblical Canon Leontius Nov 2015 #33
Saint Jerome disagrees with you, but you must be right. Yorktown Nov 2015 #34
St. Jerome never said the Council acted on Judiths' place in the Canon. Leontius Nov 2015 #35
You're wrong again, as my earlier link indicated Yorktown Nov 2015 #36
If that is what you learned about the Council of Nicaea you were taught wrong Leontius Nov 2015 #21
Wrong. There are traces of canonical discussion at Nicaea I in the Works of St. Jerome Yorktown Nov 2015 #17
I like your point about how short it would be. Brevity is an underrated virtue. phantom power Nov 2015 #5
I've asked that question to a number of DUer believers EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2015 #15
I get dead silence too. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #18
i don't think all those items are the same patsimp Nov 2015 #8
Like the old ones haven't caused enough trouble already? Iggo Nov 2015 #9
Better proposal: the world needs none of these. mr blur Nov 2015 #10
We do not have the slightest idea how many times asjr Nov 2015 #11
No. Daemonaquila Nov 2015 #12
99% of the members of any religion are not dangerous extremists? Yorktown Nov 2015 #13
I got them right here. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #28
Because then all of those "liberal", "progressive" Xstians skepticscott Nov 2015 #29
no it doesn't. It needs to forget about the current set of stupid books and move on. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #30
Isn't that how we got the book of Mormon? Lordquinton Nov 2015 #31
Conservative, christian extremists tried that 10-15 years ago in the US. Not kidding. DetlefK Nov 2015 #37
Sorry - you can't edit the Holy Books... brooklynite Dec 2015 #38
No it doesn't. They need to be retired and forgotten about. Avalux Dec 2015 #39
People of faith will never go for that. I would not. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #40
Then why not re-write it for today's times. Why use one at all? phantom power Dec 2015 #42
It needs none of those things. Iggo Dec 2015 #41
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