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Manifestor_of_Light

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18. I get dead silence too.

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:13 PM

Nov 2015

And all the violent, nasty, hateful stuff Jesus said is explained away as metaphors, or "Oh he didn't really mean it that way" or "Jesus was always meek and mild".

I can't even get them to admit that they believe in original sin and substitutionary atonement. I remind them that that is the foundational principle of Christianity and they dodge and swerve and slice in an unbelievable fashion.
They say they don't believe in anything in particular. I point out that if you are a Christian you HAVE to believe in original sin and substitutionary atonement, and they get mad.

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A Modest Proposal: The world needs a new Bible, a new Torah, and a new Quran. [View all] phantom power Nov 2015 OP

perhaps organized religion has lost its value Angry Dragon Nov 2015 #1

In my perfect world, everybody would find their own path to atheism phantom power Nov 2015 #2

I have the same question. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #3

I wish I knew. I have a couple tentative ideas. phantom power Nov 2015 #4

It was organized by a committee at the Council of Nicaea anyway. Ordered by Constantine. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #6

Yes, but all that stuff is safely in the distant past... phantom power Nov 2015 #7

Your Council of Nicaea thing has been debunked over and over and over and over again. Leontius Nov 2015 #14

Then why did we talk about it in Old Testament class? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #16

To be fair, Leontius is -partly- right Yorktown Nov 2015 #19

Many things were discussed by the Bishops in attendance. Leontius Nov 2015 #20

The fact remains Nicaea I did discuss canonical matters Yorktown Nov 2015 #22

Nicaea did not contribute to the setting of the Canon that is fact. Leontius Nov 2015 #23

Karen Armstrong disagrees with you, if I recall correctly Yorktown Nov 2015 #24

And I should care what her mistaken idea is because Leontius Nov 2015 #25

Given that your original sweeping statement about Nicaea I was misleading, don't push it Yorktown Nov 2015 #26

My original statement was exactly what occured at the Council Leontius Nov 2015 #27

Your are just trying to obfuscate the fact your original statement was dead wrong Yorktown Nov 2015 #32

I have made no error in my description of the actions taken by the Council concernig Biblical Canon Leontius Nov 2015 #33

Saint Jerome disagrees with you, but you must be right. Yorktown Nov 2015 #34

St. Jerome never said the Council acted on Judiths' place in the Canon. Leontius Nov 2015 #35

You're wrong again, as my earlier link indicated Yorktown Nov 2015 #36

If that is what you learned about the Council of Nicaea you were taught wrong Leontius Nov 2015 #21

Wrong. There are traces of canonical discussion at Nicaea I in the Works of St. Jerome Yorktown Nov 2015 #17

I like your point about how short it would be. Brevity is an underrated virtue. phantom power Nov 2015 #5

I've asked that question to a number of DUer believers EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2015 #15

I get dead silence too. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #18

i don't think all those items are the same patsimp Nov 2015 #8

Like the old ones haven't caused enough trouble already? Iggo Nov 2015 #9

Better proposal: the world needs none of these. mr blur Nov 2015 #10

We do not have the slightest idea how many times asjr Nov 2015 #11

No. Daemonaquila Nov 2015 #12

99% of the members of any religion are not dangerous extremists? Yorktown Nov 2015 #13

I got them right here. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #28

Because then all of those "liberal", "progressive" Xstians skepticscott Nov 2015 #29

no it doesn't. It needs to forget about the current set of stupid books and move on. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #30

Isn't that how we got the book of Mormon? Lordquinton Nov 2015 #31

Conservative, christian extremists tried that 10-15 years ago in the US. Not kidding. DetlefK Nov 2015 #37

Sorry - you can't edit the Holy Books... brooklynite Dec 2015 #38

No it doesn't. They need to be retired and forgotten about. Avalux Dec 2015 #39

People of faith will never go for that. I would not. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #40

Then why not re-write it for today's times. Why use one at all? phantom power Dec 2015 #42

It needs none of those things. Iggo Dec 2015 #41