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Major Nikon

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37. Even beyond that

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:29 PM

Dec 2015

Even if you assume there was a person named Jesus Christ who had a ministry around the first century, the likelihood that the actual events had much resemblance to how it was reported is quite remote. At best you're talking about accounts written decades if not over a century from when they actually happened passing through multiple people all with their own agendas during a time when people were highly susceptible to mythology and folklore. In other words the tales just kept getting taller further down the line until they bore little resemblance to what they were actually telling.

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Do you really want to know why the roman guards gave Jesus a vinegar-soaked sponge to drink? [View all] DetlefK Dec 2015 OP

EEEEEUW! BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #1

Assumes facts not in evidence. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #2

The existence of a cult-leader "Jesus Christ" is historically pretty much verified. DetlefK Dec 2015 #3

Evidence that tall lumberjacks named Paul existed... trotsky Dec 2015 #4

"pretty much" AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #5

Well, you can't rule out witness-testimony entirely. DetlefK Dec 2015 #7

Trying to align the four as-documented gospels reveals flaws in the idea of an eyewitness account. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #8

The biblical Jesus is a different topic. DetlefK Dec 2015 #9

But the biblical Jesus is the one it is claimed was given a vinegar-soaked sponge. trotsky Dec 2015 #11

Archaeology and other disciplines have failed to prove that a historical jesus certainly existed. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #12

Archeology and other disciplines would be unable to prove the existence thucythucy Dec 2015 #13

There are few if any academic claims for the historicity Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #16

Have I ever used Socrates thucythucy Dec 2015 #17

well regarding spartacus, the leader, spartacus was mentioned by name. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #18

We know Spartacus by name thucythucy Dec 2015 #20

We know Homer existed edhopper Dec 2015 #19

There's evidence that a historical Jesus existed and that he was crucified Major Nikon Dec 2015 #22

See my post 25, thucythucy Dec 2015 #26

The problem is we aren't talking about some random troublemaker Major Nikon Dec 2015 #30

"Is very telling" thucythucy Dec 2015 #32

That's kind of the whole point Major Nikon Dec 2015 #33

Or news just took time back then to travel, thucythucy Dec 2015 #34

I don't doubt there was an actual person behind Christianity Major Nikon Dec 2015 #35

If by "Biblical Jesus" you mean the whole turn water into wine thucythucy Dec 2015 #36

Even beyond that Major Nikon Dec 2015 #37

Well except when he isn't and is instead described Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #15

There is no eyewitness testimony for the existence of Jesus. stopbush Dec 2015 #29

Do tell Goblinmonger Dec 2015 #6

No really that isn't "verified" as there is zero Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #14

There were other "gods" in history just like him. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2015 #24

All of these supernatural aspects of divinity thucythucy Dec 2015 #25

Nope. stopbush Dec 2015 #28

Because they thought he could turn it into water? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #10

No, it was probably because the people entrusted with executing criminals thucythucy Dec 2015 #21

Considering that it's most likely a fabricated story, I don't get too worked up abut it. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #23

Fortunately, the whole Buy-bull is make believe. stopbush Dec 2015 #27

No not really Person 2713 Dec 2015 #31

Let's see. Is it because some people really love torture porn? Iggo Dec 2015 #38