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kwassa

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41. Nobody is stuck ever in this universe. It isn't spin, it is a change.

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 05:12 PM

Apr 2012

The Bible also condoned slavery and the suppression of women for 2000 years. Christian churches changed on these issues, too.

I am a member of the Episcopal Church. The head of the US church is a woman, the first to hold that role. The assistant rector of my church is a gay woman who was married to her same-sex partner at National Cathedral, the same place that US presidents are buried, by the Bishop of Washington. I know many gay clergy.

The elevation of a gay rector to Bishop of New Hampshire in 2003 provoked an around-the-world argument in the Anglican Communion, with more conservative countries condemning the US church. Did we back down? Will we back down.

Nope.

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Where Are the Pro-LGBT Religious Voices in Mainstream Media? [View all] cbayer Apr 2012 OP

The anti LGBT voices are media empires in their own right. rrneck Apr 2012 #1

With most of the country in favor of GLBT civil rights, the anti-LGBT voices also cause cbayer Apr 2012 #2

Ain't it the truth. rrneck Apr 2012 #3

You just find it impossible to affirm something you believe in Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #13

Just plain wrong. And a little bit insulting. rrneck Apr 2012 #18

Ah what a nice anecdote. I too wish such things were more visible dmallind Apr 2012 #4

Looks like i underestimated the market. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #5

Looks like i underestimated the market. AlbertCat Apr 2012 #45

Old numbers, and the tide has definitely turned. cbayer Apr 2012 #6

As has been repeated throughout history, trotsky Apr 2012 #7

See #13 it applies to you too. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #14

Sorry that I can't just forget history like you want to. n/t trotsky Apr 2012 #17

And here's the most recent that shows the effect of religiosity dmallind Apr 2012 #8

How is this more recent? The table I posted includes 2011 data. cbayer Apr 2012 #9

read the next words maybe? dmallind Apr 2012 #10

I did. cbayer Apr 2012 #11

Apparently not. "And here's the most recent **THAT SHOWS THE EFFECT OF RELIGIOSITY**" dmallind Apr 2012 #12

Perhaps they don't cover the greater support from the nonreligious because of the lack cbayer Apr 2012 #15

I think it would be really interesting to see a poll of organized religious observers -> pinto Apr 2012 #16

Absolutely. I have seen many a mind changed when someone they loved came out to them. cbayer Apr 2012 #19

It isn't really feasible to create a gay-positive religious movement. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #20

This is just false. cbayer Apr 2012 #21

It's not that gay-positive religious organizations don't exist. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #22

Here's one cbayer Apr 2012 #23

While you could argue that the scripture quote there can validate the idea of... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #24

Yes. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #25

I think there is a case to be made for Jesus's teachings about *eunuchs*. cbayer Apr 2012 #28

Many gay Christians disagree with your viewpoint, as do many other Christians. kwassa Apr 2012 #38

That kind of sums it up, though. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #40

Nobody is stuck ever in this universe. It isn't spin, it is a change. kwassa Apr 2012 #41

If one were a biblical literalist, I think your point is valid. cbayer Apr 2012 #26

Actually, I've never seen that particular letter... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #29

There are things in lots of books that need to be discarded as cbayer Apr 2012 #30

But that still doesn't fully answer my question eqfan592 Apr 2012 #33

Who is tying themselves down to the bad? cbayer Apr 2012 #35

Really, though... Plantaganet Apr 2012 #36

It may be abundantly clear to you, but it's not so for others. cbayer Apr 2012 #37

Fair enough. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #39

I see the point you're getting at, but the parallel you're drawing... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #47

n/t Plantaganet Apr 2012 #48

Do unto others as you as you would have them do unto you. AlbertCat Apr 2012 #46

Pssst! Plantaganet Apr 2012 #49

Poll Shows Many Religious Groups Support Gay Marriage (jezebel.com) pinto Apr 2012 #27

While the numbers are still too low, the trend appears obvious cbayer Apr 2012 #31

About 15 years ago, a friend attended the General Convention of the Episcopal Church Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #50

Fantastic news. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #32

Good point. And I'd add that secular culture has always had some influence on religions. pinto Apr 2012 #34

Some senior British clergy just wrote a letter to The Times, supporting gay marriage LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #42

Great! Thanks for bringing this here and not surprised cbayer Apr 2012 #43

The CONSERVATIVE party supports gay marriage there! kwassa Apr 2012 #44