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Igel

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2. The claim is an old one.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:18 PM
Dec 2015

Based on a strain of theology that was prominent in the 1800s. Note that many theologians gamed tenure: As theologians, they gained professorships and the tenure that came with it. However, many ultimately altered or nearly disavowed their faith. In taking a stance above belief, they managed to lose belief.

In viewing religion as myth, it was easy to say that the various deities involved were "the same." After all, there are archetypes for characters in many traditions, and they're viewed as the "same." Diana was Artemis, and in many ways Odin was Zeus was Jupiter. Abstract away from the details to see the underlying unity--because the details of belief didn't matter.

This played into some polemicists' hands, because it's a nice tool for arguing for either tolerance or to help proselytizing. "C'mon, Muslims also believe in Jesus and Mary, and we worship the same god." Ignore all the doctrinal differences, what the god involved allegedly says. Really, trust me, they're the same. (Bernie is really Jeb is really Hillary is really Cruz is really O'Malley is really Trump. They're all the same.)

Ecumenists also found it handy. Ignore the details, tradition isn't worth anything, what matters is social unity and social justice. Most conservative Xians had contempt for the ecumenical Xian movement in the '70s and '80s. I suppose it must still exist. Most of them, however, were like Episcopals--Bible, tradition, and "inspiration" were their pillars of faith, with inspiration and revision trumping (or Cruzing) tradition and the Bible being a "living testament" that needed to be fitted and reinterpreted by context. Moreover, to avoid giving offence ("Baptists can be saved but Jews aren't&quot piety and zeal is all but prohibited. Heck, even Hindus and Buddhists can go to Xian heaven. Why this is less offensive than Mormons' posthumous baptizing of Jews is a mystery to me. Perhaps it's because we all need to be validated by others to avoid existential angst and self-doubt. "Sure, I'm ok and you're okay, but let's talk about how you think I'm really, really okay some more. Otherwise I'll assume you hate me."

But if you're a believer, the entire issue falls flat as playing semantic games for manipulation. Salafists agree as do many Baptists: You can't say Allah is like the Triune God of traditional Xianity, and the idea of a Jesus-as-God directly contradicts a fundamental text of Islam while denying Jesus as deity contradicts a fundamental principle of Xianity.

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