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struggle4progress

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20. Court in shock as gunman describes massacre

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 05:46 PM

Apr 2012

... His first two victims were Monica Boesei, a camp organiser, and off-duty police officer Trond Berntsen, a security guard. "My whole body tried to revolt when I took the weapon in my hand. There were 100 voices in my head saying, 'Don't do it, don't do it'."

But he did. He pointed his gun at Berntsen's head and pulled the trigger. He shot Boesei as she tried to run away. Then as they lay on the ground, he shot them both twice in the head.

Breivik said he could not remember large chunks of the approximately 90 minutes he spent on the island before surrendering to police commandos. Still, he recalled some of the shootings in great detail, including inside a cafe where he mowed down young victims as they pleaded for their lives ...

Breivik has admitted to setting off a bomb on July 22 in Oslo, killing eight people, before opening fire at the youth camp on Utoya island. But he has pleaded not guilty to criminal charges, saying his victims had betrayed Norway by embracing immigration ...

http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC120422-0000019/Court-in-shock-as-gunman-describes-massacre

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‘Militant Christian’ Anders Breivik wants to be taken seriously [View all] cleanhippie Apr 2012 OP

I'll save them the keystrokes dmallind Apr 2012 #1

His mental health hasn't been established. laconicsax Apr 2012 #4

Read his manifesto and tell me he's not deranged. rug Apr 2012 #12

Could you point me to the section on "deranged" in the DSM? laconicsax Apr 2012 #13

The DSM does not have a diagnosis for "insane" but that's where this is headed. rug Apr 2012 #17

In other words, you don't like what he says about himself, so you want to change the subject. laconicsax Apr 2012 #18

In other words, you say "STFU". rug Apr 2012 #19

And once again, you try to make the discussion about me. laconicsax Apr 2012 #35

I said it. Precisely. Despite your attempts to distort. rug Apr 2012 #38

Can you simply not quit me? laconicsax Apr 2012 #39

Easily. rug Apr 2012 #43

Which of the facts that I posted are "bullshit?" laconicsax Apr 2012 #60

What on earth would you know about "intellectual honesty"? nt mr blur Apr 2012 #63

Much more than the drek I've seen posted here. rug Apr 2012 #64

He's not mentally ill, he's just a bigot. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #7

It doesn't matter that he says it's religiously motivated, AlbertCat Apr 2012 #57

I've seen you post some pretty ugly shit in the past Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #2

Compared to the passive-aggressive shit you post, it's quite mild. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #3

A "militant" of any persuasion is capable of carrying out horrendous acts, as you well know.nt humblebum Apr 2012 #5

Well, well, we're making progress! 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #6

As well as "militant" atheists as history well proves. nt humblebum Apr 2012 #8

It'll be a relief that only atheists who committed murder will be called "militant" from now on. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #9

And is that some new rule you just made up? Would be interesting humblebum Apr 2012 #10

Am I not an atheist? Therefore, every statement by me is a lie. Including this one. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #11

You're being too hard on yourself. Atheists really can be very nice people humblebum Apr 2012 #14

Like some of your best friends, huh? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #98

You referred a moment ago to 'horrendous acts' LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #16

Correct! Kinda like Stalin was dangerous. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #65

And with that you threw any credibility you had right out the window. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #66

Please enlighten me as to who I am oh Great One Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #67

I think he USED his religious beliefs in the cause of hatred LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #15

Court in shock as gunman describes massacre struggle4progress Apr 2012 #20

Breivik's chilling account of massacre: 'I shot them all' struggle4progress Apr 2012 #21

Breivik Back in Court, Day Five of Trial struggle4progress Apr 2012 #22

... “I am a very likeable person under normal conditions,” he told the court. He said he spent years struggle4progress Apr 2012 #23

This one smells much like that famous line from Capote's "In Cold Blood" -- struggle4progress Apr 2012 #30

"Deliberately dehumanizing himself" laconicsax Apr 2012 #37

Lol! "a clear-headed individual"! rug Apr 2012 #40

Word cloud... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #58

Yes. Clear-headed. laconicsax Apr 2012 #61

I'd certainly call that a sickening level of pre-meditation. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #42

His mind is clear as crystal rug Apr 2012 #44

He knew exactly what he was doing, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #46

You do realize his diagnosis, don't you? rug Apr 2012 #48

As I understand it, there hasn't been a diagnosis yet. That's being worked on. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #49

There has. The prosecution is disputing it with their own psychiatrists. rug Apr 2012 #51

"Their report must still be reviewed by a panel of forensic psychiatrists." darkstar3 Apr 2012 #53

Psychopaths Dorian Gray Apr 2012 #55

This does not mean that there is not a form of mental illness involved LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #80

I think also Dorian Gray Apr 2012 #95

His mind is clear as crystal AlbertCat Apr 2012 #59

Anders Behring Breivik trial, day five - Friday 20 April struggle4progress Apr 2012 #24

Remorseless and baffling, Breivik's testimony leaves Norway no wiser struggle4progress Apr 2012 #25

Breivik: Voices in my head said, 'Don't do this' struggle4progress Apr 2012 #26

... He told his trial that his original plan was to kill “all 564” who were on Utoeya Island ... struggle4progress Apr 2012 #27

... He boasts of being an ultranationalist who killed his victims to fight multiculturalism ... struggle4progress Apr 2012 #28

... The main aim of the trial ... is to decide if Breivik is sane or insane ... struggle4progress Apr 2012 #29

... Why? Breivik's lengthy response to that question has been as eloquent as it has been struggle4progress Apr 2012 #31

Thank you for all the articles and links Dorian Gray Apr 2012 #56

Breivik's Defense: Danish Immigration Law? struggle4progress Apr 2012 #32

... Sky News journalist Trygve Sorvaag, live-tweeting the trial of Anders Behring Breivik - the man struggle4progress Apr 2012 #33

Breivik says he planned to behead former PM struggle4progress Apr 2012 #34

I think you struck a nerve. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #36

And that struck nerve seems to have caused EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #41

Sorry to hear that. rug Apr 2012 #45

Hey doc, what would you suggest I do about EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #50

Remove your head. rug Apr 2012 #52

LOL! kwassa Apr 2012 #54

Shit, I walked into that one EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #62

I count two of them. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #47

Well of course his religious beliefs played a part in this atrocity LARED Apr 2012 #68

"It's OK, I don't claim him." darkstar3 Apr 2012 #69

The point is no one claims him, LARED Apr 2012 #70

Is it possible you don't recall how DU responded to 9/11 is because you hadn't joined yet. laconicsax Apr 2012 #71

I noticed that too... darkstar3 Apr 2012 #73

I've been a member since 2002 and spend considerable time LARED Apr 2012 #74

I'll take that as a "yes" laconicsax Apr 2012 #78

The point is that your point is fallacious, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #72

That's nonsense LARED Apr 2012 #76

Can you provide a definition for "Christian" that is globally accepted by all Christians? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #77

Please do provide a globally accepted definition of atheist. nt LARED Apr 2012 #81

Someone who holds no belief in any gods. Your turn. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #82

Surely you are incorrect LARED Apr 2012 #101

If Theism is defined as "Belief in the existence of a god or gods..." prefunk Apr 2012 #102

You contradict yourself. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #103

Even though you view me as contradicting myself LARED Apr 2012 #104

False, and you know it. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #105

So then, you are saying that all atheists are alike? humblebum Apr 2012 #83

It surely would be, if that is what was said. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #84

Obviously they are all alike in at least one respect by the definition given. humblebum Apr 2012 #85

No, they aren't, at least not by any deifinition I have ever seen. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #86

If the "globally accepted definition of atheist" is humblebum Apr 2012 #87

Yes, indeed they are alike IN THAT RESPECT. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #88

I have changed nothing. But you certainly have. From no to yes. humblebum Apr 2012 #89

LOL! Yeah, sure you didn't. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #90

The only one flailing, spitting, making a fuss is you. humblebum Apr 2012 #91

See post 90. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #92

See post #91. humblebum Apr 2012 #93

I saw it and was unimpressed. (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #94

I think that plenty of people Dorian Gray Apr 2012 #96

Facts first, analysis second. According to Breivik's self-account: he became convinced struggle4progress Apr 2012 #75

That's a pretty good summary. n/t laconicsax Apr 2012 #79

Very good breakdown Dorian Gray Apr 2012 #97

Is it not a fact that Breivik said what the OP says he said? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #99

I glanced briefly at his manifesto last summer and decided I would not gain anything struggle4progress Apr 2012 #100