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eqfan592

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47. I see the point you're getting at, but the parallel you're drawing...
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:50 PM
Apr 2012

...between a religion and atheism just doesn't work. While there are many books written about atheism, none of them take the form of a "holy scripture" as occurs in religion. An atheist is simply somebody who doesn't believe in god, and while there are atheists that diverge in some areas (gnostic vs agnostic atheists, for instance) it is still simply that one fundamental trait that makes an atheist an atheist.

My statement that christians are tied down to the bad with the good is just addressing the fact that no matter how much a christian may want to distance themselves from the portions of the bible they feel are bad, those portions are still there and are still a part of the holy scripture that lays out the foundation of the religion. And those portions will continue to rear their head for non-fundamentalists so long as they identify with any parts of the bible.

I'm not saying that one must be a fundamentalist in order to call themselves an adherent of one faith or another (a person is welcome to claim themselves an adherent of whatever faith they so choose). I'm asking what is the point of adhering to one faith or another if one must cheery pick heavily from the faiths holy scripture just to find the scripture tolerable and acceptable in modern times.

Or to even get more to the point, I'm saying that I fail to see the point in such a venture. I can read and take from the bible those lessons that are worth while without being a christian, and the same applies to any other religious text, and when I realized this is when I initially became an agnostic and left christianity behind.

Your road is likely to be different from mine, and that is fine, and I'm not telling you this in any effort to "convert" you, but rather so you may better understand where I am coming from when it comes to this topic. If I've made offense, do understand that it was not my intention.

EDIT to fix a horrible typo in my subject line!

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The anti LGBT voices are media empires in their own right. rrneck Apr 2012 #1
With most of the country in favor of GLBT civil rights, the anti-LGBT voices also cause cbayer Apr 2012 #2
Ain't it the truth. rrneck Apr 2012 #3
You just find it impossible to affirm something you believe in Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #13
Just plain wrong. And a little bit insulting. rrneck Apr 2012 #18
Ah what a nice anecdote. I too wish such things were more visible dmallind Apr 2012 #4
Looks like i underestimated the market. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #5
Looks like i underestimated the market. AlbertCat Apr 2012 #45
Old numbers, and the tide has definitely turned. cbayer Apr 2012 #6
As has been repeated throughout history, trotsky Apr 2012 #7
See #13 it applies to you too. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #14
Sorry that I can't just forget history like you want to. n/t trotsky Apr 2012 #17
And here's the most recent that shows the effect of religiosity dmallind Apr 2012 #8
How is this more recent? The table I posted includes 2011 data. cbayer Apr 2012 #9
read the next words maybe? dmallind Apr 2012 #10
I did. cbayer Apr 2012 #11
Apparently not. "And here's the most recent **THAT SHOWS THE EFFECT OF RELIGIOSITY**" dmallind Apr 2012 #12
Perhaps they don't cover the greater support from the nonreligious because of the lack cbayer Apr 2012 #15
I think it would be really interesting to see a poll of organized religious observers -> pinto Apr 2012 #16
Absolutely. I have seen many a mind changed when someone they loved came out to them. cbayer Apr 2012 #19
It isn't really feasible to create a gay-positive religious movement. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #20
This is just false. cbayer Apr 2012 #21
It's not that gay-positive religious organizations don't exist. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #22
Here's one cbayer Apr 2012 #23
While you could argue that the scripture quote there can validate the idea of... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #24
Yes. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #25
I think there is a case to be made for Jesus's teachings about *eunuchs*. cbayer Apr 2012 #28
Many gay Christians disagree with your viewpoint, as do many other Christians. kwassa Apr 2012 #38
That kind of sums it up, though. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #40
Nobody is stuck ever in this universe. It isn't spin, it is a change. kwassa Apr 2012 #41
If one were a biblical literalist, I think your point is valid. cbayer Apr 2012 #26
Actually, I've never seen that particular letter... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #29
There are things in lots of books that need to be discarded as cbayer Apr 2012 #30
But that still doesn't fully answer my question eqfan592 Apr 2012 #33
Who is tying themselves down to the bad? cbayer Apr 2012 #35
Really, though... Plantaganet Apr 2012 #36
It may be abundantly clear to you, but it's not so for others. cbayer Apr 2012 #37
Fair enough. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #39
I see the point you're getting at, but the parallel you're drawing... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #47
n/t Plantaganet Apr 2012 #48
Do unto others as you as you would have them do unto you. AlbertCat Apr 2012 #46
Pssst! Plantaganet Apr 2012 #49
Poll Shows Many Religious Groups Support Gay Marriage (jezebel.com) pinto Apr 2012 #27
While the numbers are still too low, the trend appears obvious cbayer Apr 2012 #31
About 15 years ago, a friend attended the General Convention of the Episcopal Church Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #50
Fantastic news. Plantaganet Apr 2012 #32
Good point. And I'd add that secular culture has always had some influence on religions. pinto Apr 2012 #34
Some senior British clergy just wrote a letter to The Times, supporting gay marriage LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #42
Great! Thanks for bringing this here and not surprised cbayer Apr 2012 #43
The CONSERVATIVE party supports gay marriage there! kwassa Apr 2012 #44
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