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In reply to the discussion: Near death, explained [View all]eqfan592
(5,963 posts)4. Interesting read, but a couple of flaws.
The most glaring one, and it is one I've seen repeated when discussing this subject, is this:
These findings strongly challenge the mainstream neuroscientific view that mind and consciousness result solely from brain activity. As we have seen, such a view fails to account for how NDErs can experiencewhile their hearts are stoppedvivid and complex thoughts and acquire veridical information about objects or events remote from their bodies.
The problem is that we can't actually be certain people are experiencing these NDE's and OBE's while their hearts are stopped and there is no brain activity. Even in the Pam Reynolds case we can't be certain she didn't have her experience during the last moments her brain was still active. As for the details she was able to bring up, do we know for a fact she never saw the tools they were going to use prior to the surgery? Also, she likely met the team that would be working on her, and had a good idea of what was going to be done during the surgery, so her experiences (such as hearing the voice of the woman) could have resulted from her own concerns of the surgery that just so happened to occur in reality.
Also, how can those who believe that OBE's are a real phenomena with the persons consciousness leaving the body explain OBE's where the person does not see or hear something that is real?
These are questions that must be answered before we begin jumping to the conclusions that the author of that article clearly means for us readers to jump to.
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You may be right but wouldn't it be great if it really was true. I know it would give me a happy
southernyankeebelle
Apr 2012
#28
Was your experience similar or different from the experiences described by others?
cbayer
Apr 2012
#10
That's what I most often read about and agree that it is much different than an OOBE.
cbayer
Apr 2012
#22
.(mumble mumble)...Unlike we scientifically enlightened beings, you mere mortals have misinterpreted
AlbertCat
Apr 2012
#63
I hate to say it tama, but those in glass houses should really avoid throwing stones. (nt)
eqfan592
Apr 2012
#76
The quote is in reference to the idea of conciousness returning to a body whos brain has decayed.
eqfan592
Apr 2012
#77
Luckily, the lady had never read anything about what to expect from a NDE beforehand.
mr blur
Apr 2012
#16
I've been interested since 2000 when I lost my son...then believe I got many messages from him.
Auntie Bush
Apr 2012
#43
Too bad intentionally putting people, especially blind people, in situations which may
ZombieHorde
Apr 2012
#33