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Bad arguments are bad arguments [View all]
Amidst all the chaos of the self-proclaimed atheist leaders exposing their flaws, its easy to forget that theyre right about atheism. There is no god. The arguments for god are pathetic and silly. Many religious beliefs are self-destructive and poisonous. Ive been seeing a few articles lately that are basically gloating that atheism is dead or dying because Richard Dawkins said something stupid about womens equality
but they ignore the fact that he also said many smart things about god-belief, and the regressive nature of one guys antipathy towards feminism does not discredit atheism, or provide any comfort to religious advocates. Its also particularly ironic when Catholics wag a finger at a few atheists who are blinded by privilege, while studiously ignoring that one of the biggest threats to womens rights in the western world has been Catholic doctrine. (Has he been reading DU?)
But as far as arguments for religions go, Dawkins doesnt matter, and neither do the criminal activities of the Catholic church. What matters on the topic of god-belief are the qualities of the arguments. and really, they are appallingly bad. Im not talking about just the goofy crap that comes out of lackluster minds like that of a Hovind or a Comfort, but the Big Guns of religion, like Aquinas. They are impossible to take seriously, unless one is doped to the gills with bad theology.
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In this sense, the religious apologists seem to be thrilled with internal dissent within the atheist community, because it is a useful distraction from the bullshit theyve been peddling for a few centuries. (We can see this is action simply by perusing the posts in this Group alone)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/02/03/bad-arguments-are-bad-arguments/
But as far as arguments for religions go, Dawkins doesnt matter, and neither do the criminal activities of the Catholic church. What matters on the topic of god-belief are the qualities of the arguments. and really, they are appallingly bad. Im not talking about just the goofy crap that comes out of lackluster minds like that of a Hovind or a Comfort, but the Big Guns of religion, like Aquinas. They are impossible to take seriously, unless one is doped to the gills with bad theology.
--snip--
In this sense, the religious apologists seem to be thrilled with internal dissent within the atheist community, because it is a useful distraction from the bullshit theyve been peddling for a few centuries. (We can see this is action simply by perusing the posts in this Group alone)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/02/03/bad-arguments-are-bad-arguments/
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And the more they try to bolster them with, for example, 'progressive theology',
mr blur
Feb 2016
#2
You appear to believe that exposing Dawkins, and others, is somehow a defense of religion.
rug
Feb 2016
#5
For someone who likes to throw arond the word "motherfucker", you're curiously reticent.
rug
Feb 2016
#43
Well, I can't know for sure if you're being deceptive, rather than confused.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#62
I don't see public schools shuffling around teachers to new districts and hiding their past
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#34
That wasn't the original problem. The comment was about the organization HARBORING them, shuffling
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#71
My original comment was about the abuse not the coverup if you are confused about that
Leontius
Feb 2016
#76
So your answer is yes they moved these priests with the express intent to allow them to
Leontius
Feb 2016
#86
Has the teachers union hidden and moved and ENABLED said predators, like the RCC has?
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#147
That was never my argument and I'm sure that if you really want to find an answer to your
Leontius
Feb 2016
#151
You said, in post 25, "THE RCC", not 'abusive priests'. You compared the actions of individual teach
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#154
They were deliberate acts, and frankly its probably due to indifference to children which has been..
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2016
#150
Thanks for a direct and honest answer something that others seem unable to do.
Leontius
Feb 2016
#156
The issue is that, because religious organizations perpetuate this, and religion is given a...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2016
#161
I don't know what your interest in my balls is, but they have nothing to do with this conversation.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#152
If you look carefully, there is little difference between what HA and I said.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#160
I only mentioned them because it was part of my argument that the motives was indifference...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2016
#166
Your presence is required in this thread about the vatican saying it doesn't have to report.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#73
Next we'll learn how the Teamsters Unions are the SAME THING as vatican Rat Lines evacuating
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#77
No you conflated my question on abuse into that comparison I'm not taking blame for your
Leontius
Feb 2016
#95
So not only do you make wild, slanderous accusations while refusing to back them up
Lordquinton
Feb 2016
#104
And your misrepresentions of what I said are yours and your friends so I won't hold it
Leontius
Feb 2016
#106
Its the cover-up and enabling of pedophiles by the Church, by shuffling them to unknowing...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2016
#149
I have nothing to appologize for everything I posted was true and backed by studies on this problem.
Leontius
Feb 2016
#99
Only problem with that is the Dept of Education study had almost the same percent of
Leontius
Feb 2016
#108
When I become god of the internet I'll accept the responsibility for the error of others
Leontius
Feb 2016
#115
I've known that acronym for years. As has virtually every other member of this site.
rug
Feb 2016
#186
Listen, "Lord", you should count your blessings I'm wasting this amount of time with you at all.
rug
Feb 2016
#198
Because it's absurd. Teachers' "massive child sexual abuse problem"? Are you being serious?
mr blur
Feb 2016
#69
I absolutely agree that the RCC has failed to address this problem correctly.
Leontius
Feb 2016
#118
I found the article. I read it. The article clearly states that a study has not been
LiberalAndProud
Feb 2016
#119
I'm making no excuses I'm just questioning the motive and honesty of some posters on the issue.
Leontius
Feb 2016
#148
Except of course, post 25 stands, for all to see what you actually said.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2016
#170
As does your inability to understand it after repeatedly being corrected and your
Leontius
Feb 2016
#171