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Speck Tater

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55. I thought I was attacking and denigrating IDEAS.

Mon Apr 23, 2012, 11:24 AM

Apr 2012

Like the idea that there is only one way to know the world: science.

I don't accept that idea. I see it as too narrow, and it turns a blind eye to things that are not convenient subjects of reductionism.

You have a long tradition here of making a very strong case for the value of science. In those things we are in complete agreement. You are right. Science is a powerful tool. My education was scientific and I spent my career working as an engineer. I respect science and the scientific method. I really do.

What I don't respect is the attitude "...and that's all there is." (It's hard to take seriously restrictions which "forbid" the existence of things I know to be true.)

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Near death, explained [View all] xchrom Apr 2012 OP

Fascinating! I skimmed but put this aside for a more careful reading later. cbayer Apr 2012 #1

Incredible. Good Read. k&r Little Star Apr 2012 #2

Very Interesting dballance Apr 2012 #3

The similarity of experiences in NDE are intriguing, I agree. cbayer Apr 2012 #9

hynogogic and hypnopompic experiences kiri Apr 2012 #30

Good points. cbayer Apr 2012 #35

You may be right but wouldn't it be great if it really was true. I know it would give me a happy southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #28

Interesting read, but a couple of flaws. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #4

Scientific studies of nde have not Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #5

As a person who had an NDE, djean111 Apr 2012 #6

I don't think there's any significant dispute over whether NDEs happen or not Silent3 Apr 2012 #8

I just don't care to prove or disprove gods. djean111 Apr 2012 #11

Was your experience similar or different from the experiences described by others? cbayer Apr 2012 #10

Similar. djean111 Apr 2012 #15

That's what I most often read about and agree that it is much different than an OOBE. cbayer Apr 2012 #22

Explained where? Silent3 Apr 2012 #7

The article describes and recounts NDEs, it tries to dismiss "materialist" AlbertCat Apr 2012 #65

I just watched an excellent documentary on NDE felix_numinous Apr 2012 #12

No bias or agenda on that web site... Silent3 Apr 2012 #14

Here is another resource felix_numinous Apr 2012 #27

Yet another site oriented toward believers... Silent3 Apr 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Apr 2012 #46

Woo woo. Pooh pooh. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #13

Bwah! Thank you. djean111 Apr 2012 #18

No, you left a couple out. mr blur Apr 2012 #19

You can't even get your satire right Silent3 Apr 2012 #20

Big +1 here! (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #23

You're right! Speck Tater Apr 2012 #24

Some things are ubiquitous... Silent3 Apr 2012 #29

Some day, when each of us, in our turn, and at our own time,... Speck Tater Apr 2012 #38

On this point you are correct. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #52

.(mumble mumble)...Unlike we scientifically enlightened beings, you mere mortals have misinterpreted AlbertCat Apr 2012 #63

See post 64 nt tama Apr 2012 #71

Perfect! dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #44

So critical analysis strikes you like this? Silent3 Apr 2012 #53

Why are you attacking and denigrating people? trotsky Apr 2012 #54

I thought I was attacking and denigrating IDEAS. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #55

As I have learned in this forum, there is no such distinction. trotsky Apr 2012 #56

Fair enough. (I think "hate speech" is a little over the top.) Speck Tater Apr 2012 #58

It's not my term - I saw it used for another post that criticized beliefs. trotsky Apr 2012 #59

Has that lesson tama Apr 2012 #67

Quantum Mechanics... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #64

How do you feel tama Apr 2012 #68

I hate to say it tama, but those in glass houses should really avoid throwing stones. (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #76

Well alrighty then. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #72

Zeilinger tama Apr 2012 #79

Thank you. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #80

Giving science a chance tama Apr 2012 #81

quantum effects do not exist on the macroscopic AlbertCat Apr 2012 #83

Oh, well if Wikipedia says so... Speck Tater Apr 2012 #84

Could you stop laughing long enough.... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #85

Google "macroscopic quantum effects" Speck Tater Apr 2012 #86

So.... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #87

It's not a matter of "that's all there is"... Silent3 Apr 2012 #57

Not just a straw man tama Apr 2012 #69

Provide said quote with sufficient context... Silent3 Apr 2012 #75

The quote is in reference to the idea of conciousness returning to a body whos brain has decayed. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #77

Thanks n/t tama Apr 2012 #78

Maybe you guys would be happier with a new group to play in. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #73

Now why are you attacking and denigrating? trotsky Apr 2012 #82

Luckily, the lady had never read anything about what to expect from a NDE beforehand. mr blur Apr 2012 #16

FWIW djean111 Apr 2012 #21

Can you please tell us what happened? nt Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #32

Can you send me a message I can reply to? djean111 Apr 2012 #41

I really don't understand what you want me to do. Sorry Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #62

I think djean111 wants you to send a PM kentauros Apr 2012 #66

Maria's NDE cosmicaug Apr 2012 #17

Summary: "Somebody is lying because... Speck Tater Apr 2012 #26

Actually no, but nice try tho. :) (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #42

Eyewitness testimony cosmicaug Apr 2012 #48

No lies here cosmicaug Apr 2012 #49

This experimental approach cited in the pdf should be pursued more widely FarCenter Apr 2012 #51

Thank you for posting. This is fascinating. I've been interested ever since 1monster Apr 2012 #25

I've been interested since 2000 when I lost my son...then believe I got many messages from him. Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #43

Two books for you: 1monster Apr 2012 #50

Thanks, 1monster. That was a lot of work and I appreciate it. Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #61

Too bad intentionally putting people, especially blind people, in situations which may ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #33

For people who are terminally ill felix_numinous Apr 2012 #34

+1. Thanks for saying this. cbayer Apr 2012 #36

Fighter pilots training in cetrifuges experience OBEs and NDEs. deucemagnet Apr 2012 #37

Spin one of those fast enough... Silent3 Apr 2012 #39

They're glossing over important details in the Pam Reynolds case that do not support their theory. moobu2 Apr 2012 #40

What I always wondered about is why TNDemo Apr 2012 #45

"Random" works on what is already there. Self interprets. cosmicaug Apr 2012 #47

I'm still waiting for the supposed forthcoming explanation of NDEs Silent3 Apr 2012 #60

Yup tama Apr 2012 #70

The article didn't even offer a woo "explanation"... Silent3 Apr 2012 #74