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In reply to the discussion: Bad arguments are bad arguments [View all]AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I see this scenario over and over. It has ZERO TO DO WITH ATHEISM, despite your desperate threshings to link the two.
I'm a part of MANY communities that have a stark lack of female participation, and stiff opposition to any visible entrants to the community from said female population.
Motorcycles.
Shop/mechanics.
Running.
Welding.
Home construction.
Firefighting.
Software development.
Project management.
Atheism.
All of these group/domains/populations/societies are informed by cultural patriarchy. Every single one of them. It takes time and active opposition to wear down that barrier to entry and normalize the population.
But it didn't come FROM 'atheism'. It didn't come FROM 'motorcycles'. It came from social mores that the members of those groups carried with them.
Where would a Atheist community get that patriarchy from? Previously inculcated social rules.
From where? In America, the bible holds some clues, given we are Christian dominated society:
Orderly Worship
33for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
Raise generation of generation of Christian with shit like that baked into your social paradigm, and guess what happens when those people break away and become not-Christians? They carry that baggage with them. They keep on doing so until challenged, with facts, reason, convincing empirical evidence, etc. A newly-minted atheist doesn't roll back every social rule, more, tradition, etc, the second he or she says 'I don't believe in god'. That takes time. That takes effort.
Patriarchy is bigger than 'I don't believe in god', and comes from social harbors well beyond sitting on a motorcycle.
None of that patriarchy falls away until we all start seeing each other as peers. Recognizing the contributions we can all bring to the table. That's a much easier path with no religious overhead, but it's not a no-brainer for religious refugees, and people embedded in a religious-dominated social structure.
If your religion, or ideology, or cult, or society has baked-in rules that classify some as 'other', scrap it. See people as they are. What they can be.
Namaste, motherfucker.