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Speck Tater

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80. Thank you.

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:18 AM

Apr 2012

As for "paranormal", I have personally had enough paranormal experiences to take them very seriously. I just don't think QM "explains" anything about them, unlike a lot of "new age" authors who throw around bits and pieces of QM and pretend they know what they're talking about.

As an idealist myself I think we are more likely to find the explanation for QM in consciousness rather than the other way around. After all, if what we think of as "physical" is, at its base, a construct of mind, then QM is also a construct of mind. What makes the most sense to me is that consciousness is all that is "real", and everything else is an epiphenomenon of consciousness. Which is why I believe that the materialists have it completely backwards!

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Near death, explained [View all] xchrom Apr 2012 OP

Fascinating! I skimmed but put this aside for a more careful reading later. cbayer Apr 2012 #1

Incredible. Good Read. k&r Little Star Apr 2012 #2

Very Interesting dballance Apr 2012 #3

The similarity of experiences in NDE are intriguing, I agree. cbayer Apr 2012 #9

hynogogic and hypnopompic experiences kiri Apr 2012 #30

Good points. cbayer Apr 2012 #35

You may be right but wouldn't it be great if it really was true. I know it would give me a happy southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #28

Interesting read, but a couple of flaws. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #4

Scientific studies of nde have not Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #5

As a person who had an NDE, djean111 Apr 2012 #6

I don't think there's any significant dispute over whether NDEs happen or not Silent3 Apr 2012 #8

I just don't care to prove or disprove gods. djean111 Apr 2012 #11

Was your experience similar or different from the experiences described by others? cbayer Apr 2012 #10

Similar. djean111 Apr 2012 #15

That's what I most often read about and agree that it is much different than an OOBE. cbayer Apr 2012 #22

Explained where? Silent3 Apr 2012 #7

The article describes and recounts NDEs, it tries to dismiss "materialist" AlbertCat Apr 2012 #65

I just watched an excellent documentary on NDE felix_numinous Apr 2012 #12

No bias or agenda on that web site... Silent3 Apr 2012 #14

Here is another resource felix_numinous Apr 2012 #27

Yet another site oriented toward believers... Silent3 Apr 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Apr 2012 #46

Woo woo. Pooh pooh. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #13

Bwah! Thank you. djean111 Apr 2012 #18

No, you left a couple out. mr blur Apr 2012 #19

You can't even get your satire right Silent3 Apr 2012 #20

Big +1 here! (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #23

You're right! Speck Tater Apr 2012 #24

Some things are ubiquitous... Silent3 Apr 2012 #29

Some day, when each of us, in our turn, and at our own time,... Speck Tater Apr 2012 #38

On this point you are correct. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #52

.(mumble mumble)...Unlike we scientifically enlightened beings, you mere mortals have misinterpreted AlbertCat Apr 2012 #63

See post 64 nt tama Apr 2012 #71

Perfect! dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #44

So critical analysis strikes you like this? Silent3 Apr 2012 #53

Why are you attacking and denigrating people? trotsky Apr 2012 #54

I thought I was attacking and denigrating IDEAS. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #55

As I have learned in this forum, there is no such distinction. trotsky Apr 2012 #56

Fair enough. (I think "hate speech" is a little over the top.) Speck Tater Apr 2012 #58

It's not my term - I saw it used for another post that criticized beliefs. trotsky Apr 2012 #59

Has that lesson tama Apr 2012 #67

Quantum Mechanics... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #64

How do you feel tama Apr 2012 #68

I hate to say it tama, but those in glass houses should really avoid throwing stones. (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #76

Well alrighty then. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #72

Zeilinger tama Apr 2012 #79

Thank you. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #80

Giving science a chance tama Apr 2012 #81

quantum effects do not exist on the macroscopic AlbertCat Apr 2012 #83

Oh, well if Wikipedia says so... Speck Tater Apr 2012 #84

Could you stop laughing long enough.... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #85

Google "macroscopic quantum effects" Speck Tater Apr 2012 #86

So.... AlbertCat Apr 2012 #87

It's not a matter of "that's all there is"... Silent3 Apr 2012 #57

Not just a straw man tama Apr 2012 #69

Provide said quote with sufficient context... Silent3 Apr 2012 #75

The quote is in reference to the idea of conciousness returning to a body whos brain has decayed. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #77

Thanks n/t tama Apr 2012 #78

Maybe you guys would be happier with a new group to play in. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #73

Now why are you attacking and denigrating? trotsky Apr 2012 #82

Luckily, the lady had never read anything about what to expect from a NDE beforehand. mr blur Apr 2012 #16

FWIW djean111 Apr 2012 #21

Can you please tell us what happened? nt Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #32

Can you send me a message I can reply to? djean111 Apr 2012 #41

I really don't understand what you want me to do. Sorry Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #62

I think djean111 wants you to send a PM kentauros Apr 2012 #66

Maria's NDE cosmicaug Apr 2012 #17

Summary: "Somebody is lying because... Speck Tater Apr 2012 #26

Actually no, but nice try tho. :) (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #42

Eyewitness testimony cosmicaug Apr 2012 #48

No lies here cosmicaug Apr 2012 #49

This experimental approach cited in the pdf should be pursued more widely FarCenter Apr 2012 #51

Thank you for posting. This is fascinating. I've been interested ever since 1monster Apr 2012 #25

I've been interested since 2000 when I lost my son...then believe I got many messages from him. Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #43

Two books for you: 1monster Apr 2012 #50

Thanks, 1monster. That was a lot of work and I appreciate it. Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #61

Too bad intentionally putting people, especially blind people, in situations which may ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #33

For people who are terminally ill felix_numinous Apr 2012 #34

+1. Thanks for saying this. cbayer Apr 2012 #36

Fighter pilots training in cetrifuges experience OBEs and NDEs. deucemagnet Apr 2012 #37

Spin one of those fast enough... Silent3 Apr 2012 #39

They're glossing over important details in the Pam Reynolds case that do not support their theory. moobu2 Apr 2012 #40

What I always wondered about is why TNDemo Apr 2012 #45

"Random" works on what is already there. Self interprets. cosmicaug Apr 2012 #47

I'm still waiting for the supposed forthcoming explanation of NDEs Silent3 Apr 2012 #60

Yup tama Apr 2012 #70

The article didn't even offer a woo "explanation"... Silent3 Apr 2012 #74