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struggle4progress

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56. How can you be sure about the facts here?

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 06:23 PM

Mar 2016

The young woman says she was afraid to talk to her parents about it at the time; and if that's the case, what's the reason to assume she was clear and forthright in her statements to the priest? The Appeals Court decision indicates that there were some parishioner concerns expressed; that the priest then met with the alleged abuser and wife; that the girl's parents then met with the alleged abuser and wife; and that the girl's parents only then confronted the girl. That doesn't sound like nobody cared: it sounds like a community trying to figure out what's up

I don't know how to sort out the priest's moral or ethical obligations without knowing what he was told, what he actually knew at various times, or what he should reasonably have suspected

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Louisiana Judge Rules That Priests Don’t Have to Report Abuse if They Hear It During Confession [View all] trotsky Mar 2016 OP

Does that work for a terrorist plot? a plan to blow up churches? StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #1

I think so. hollysmom Mar 2016 #102

I am pretty sure it would. arely staircase May 2016 #157

I'm sure it should. But? Brettongarcia May 2016 #161

Different laws for religions is never ever a good idea. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #2

Unbelievable: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #3

W.O.W. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #4

I would think religious people would want to fight evil, not enable it. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #5

This is so fucking stupid. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #6

That was my question edhopper Mar 2016 #7

Yes, it is different nichomachus Mar 2016 #8

Oh bullshit. trotsky Mar 2016 #9

Well, maybe we could just put cameras in every home nichomachus Mar 2016 #10

And the jump to slippery slope! trotsky Mar 2016 #11

Making priests report crimes is morally equivalent to domestic spying? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #12

I'd stop digging if I were you - the deeper you go, mr blur Mar 2016 #21

You mean something like "God is always watching"? Lordquinton Mar 2016 #47

+41,124 Angry Dragon Mar 2016 #94

Let's say for the sake of argument Dorian Gray Mar 2016 #46

How can you be sure about the facts here? struggle4progress Mar 2016 #56

I understand Dorian Gray Mar 2016 #66

Why is Progress always citing need for more information Brettongarcia May 2016 #150

"Fuggin facts! Who needs em?" struggle4progress May 2016 #159

Even in courts of law.... Brettongarcia May 2016 #162

Such a privilege is traditionally considered that of the client/patient/parishioner Jim Lane Mar 2016 #60

Does this apply edhopper Mar 2016 #63

No, that's one of the exceptions. Jim Lane Mar 2016 #64

Thanks edhopper Mar 2016 #65

He actually has a point here whatthehey Mar 2016 #13

Well, that settles it, then. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #14

Well no whatthehey Mar 2016 #15

Right edhopper Mar 2016 #16

Which still does not address the legal issue whatthehey Mar 2016 #23

There are plenty of ways the law requires people, even the clergy edhopper Mar 2016 #28

Look, this is absurd. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #19

Unless that "you" is generic you are laughably off base whatthehey Mar 2016 #25

Yes, it is generic. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #30

OK, but even if you prefer the ethical angle, about which I agree FWIW whatthehey Mar 2016 #33

We prosecute faith-healing parents when they fail to provide medical care to their children. trotsky Mar 2016 #34

Traditionally, celestial marriage was necessary for Mormons to enter the highest heaven. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #37

Oh noes! trotsky Mar 2016 #40

But excommunication can be undone. trotsky Mar 2016 #31

I'll take your word that it can whatthehey Mar 2016 #36

Nope, you can't go that route. trotsky Mar 2016 #38

If a guilty Catholic refuses to confess actual crimes in confessional, trotsky Mar 2016 #17

Sure, but the compulsion is on the priest whatthehey Mar 2016 #26

Trying to argue for "equal protection" is really not appropriate here. trotsky Mar 2016 #29

Sorry. I will not be a hypocrite whatthehey Mar 2016 #41

"If we want religious liberty it has to be universal" trotsky Mar 2016 #44

Universal as in to all religions. Clearly things like Aztec sacrifice are not and should not be ok whatthehey May 2016 #144

"Clearly" - why, because murder would be involved in that? trotsky May 2016 #145

Not at all whatthehey May 2016 #146

It is one thing to state that rights should be universal as applied to *people*. trotsky May 2016 #147

Again, false inference whatthehey May 2016 #148

But who gets to define "harm"? You and you alone? trotsky May 2016 #149

"meaningful sins"? Say no more! mr blur Mar 2016 #22

Christ when will people read... whatthehey Mar 2016 #27

Good. The inviolability of the confessional seal is ancient catholic doctrine. struggle4progress Mar 2016 #18

Right. Wouldn't want child abuse getting in the way of ancient Catholic doctrine. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #20

A suit was originally filed in 2009 by the parents on behalf of the minor, alleging that in 2008, struggle4progress Mar 2016 #24

Wow. That's really interesting. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #32

And here I'd thought I'd nicely explained some legal issues and context. Ah, well. struggle4progress Mar 2016 #35

Fuck legality. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #39

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law! struggle4progress Mar 2016 #71

Oh, boy! Quotes! Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #72

You're np Rpbert Bolt. rug Mar 2016 #77

You neglected to mention, only 6 states protect that end of the confession. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #49

Actually, in many states, clergy are listed as mandatory reporters BUT struggle4progress Mar 2016 #52

I don't know about the rest of your list AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #53

"Good." Lordquinton Mar 2016 #50

I cannot believe I read that on DU.... truebrit71 Mar 2016 #58

Sadly, I knew from the get-go the apologists would minimize this. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #69

Some precision is appropriate. According to the appeals court decision: struggle4progress Mar 2016 #68

So therapists are mandatory reporters, but not so much priests? Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #42

Hell, I'm a mandatory reporter. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #43

We could make everybody mandatory reporters of everything, y'know: struggle4progress Mar 2016 #54

Misprision of a Felony. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #120

Misprision of felony is typically charged when there is inadequate evidence to charge struggle4progress Mar 2016 #121

Uh, no, it's not two steps removed, it's one step removed. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #122

Special pleading bullshit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #48

I already quoted the Louisiana Supreme Court on Louisiana law: struggle4progress Mar 2016 #55

Confession shouldn't carry special protected status. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #70

Passing the Plate for Pedophiles Skittles May 2016 #152

So it's "ancient catholic doctrine" skepticscott Mar 2016 #59

Question about Catholic doctrine Jim Lane Mar 2016 #61

Let me say first that I entirely agree with your comment upthread struggle4progress Mar 2016 #62

Sorry, but that's pretty much all theology skepticscott Mar 2016 #67

Oh God Dorian Gray Mar 2016 #45

Seriously, if there is a god... trotsky Mar 2016 #51

That's despicable. Absolutely despicable. truebrit71 Mar 2016 #57

Catholics. Iggo Mar 2016 #73

The RCC has always considered itself above secular authorities. trotsky Mar 2016 #74

That's a very poor understanding of history. rug Mar 2016 #75

Whatever you say, rug. trotsky Mar 2016 #78

Whatever will you talk about now, trotsky? rug Mar 2016 #79

OK. Let's assume for a second that priests should be different than therapists Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #80

Because at that point every thing the confessor says in confession becomes open to examination. rug Mar 2016 #81

So why should priests be different than therapists at this point? Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #85

They have significantly different functions. rug Mar 2016 #88

Yeah, one is real, and one is imaginary. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #98

Some posts are informed and others are simply uninformed. rug Mar 2016 #105

Can't be informed by non-existent entities. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #107

Of course you can. rug Mar 2016 #108

I can learn lots of things from mythology. Not sure what that has to do with being Informed though. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #109

So do teachers and doctors skepticscott Mar 2016 #99

Because of their different functions, they have different mandating triggers. rug Mar 2016 #106

And how is a priest's function more important skepticscott Mar 2016 #114

Read the decision, scottie. rug Mar 2016 #115

The decision is just skepticscott Mar 2016 #117

In that case, you'll be able to quote the holding. rug Mar 2016 #118

Would the same apply if the confessor said that they may molest a kid again? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #90

No, the seal is absolute. rug Mar 2016 #91

Ugh, why the fuck is that even legal? Such a morally repugnant practice... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #92

How do you feel about evidentiary privileges in general? rug Mar 2016 #93

In general I'm neutral on the idea, but they always come with limits, which aren't... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #95

A psychiatrist knows his patient. The confessional is, by design, anonymous. rug Mar 2016 #97

Its not always anonymous, and you have yet to justify why they shouldn't follow... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #110

First, I don't have to justify a thing; the court decision's done that. rug Mar 2016 #111

Medical care and legal services are real skepticscott Mar 2016 #101

That post is entirely a matter of opinion rug Mar 2016 #103

The "big deal" is entirely invented skepticscott Mar 2016 #100

That big deal has been examined, accepted, and applied strictly for a thousands years rug Mar 2016 #104

Nothing but blather skepticscott Mar 2016 #112

Nothing but ignorance. rug Mar 2016 #113

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #116

"you've been punked" rug Mar 2016 #119

The steadfast defense of the behavior of your church and its hierarchy is impressive. trotsky Mar 2016 #82

Yeah, yeah, yeah. rug Mar 2016 #83

That's cute. trotsky Mar 2016 #84

See #79. rug Mar 2016 #86

A priest who leaked Vatican documents is in a Vatican jail. Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #87

I suppose it's good that they make their priorities so abundantly clear. trotsky Mar 2016 #89

So true edhopper Mar 2016 #76

Everything will work out in the end Angry Dragon Mar 2016 #96

I'm surprised that the requirement to report what was said in a goldent Mar 2016 #123

Don't you just love religious privilege? trotsky Mar 2016 #124

Yeah, the two little words "free exercise" are huge. goldent Mar 2016 #125

Especially great when that "free exercise" grants privileges no one else enjoys. trotsky Mar 2016 #126

I think there are plenty of rights for everyone in the constituation goldent Mar 2016 #129

I don't know that the "constituation" grants anyone rights. trotsky Mar 2016 #132

Having rights listed in the constitution is pretty important goldent Mar 2016 #133

LOLOLOL trotsky Mar 2016 #134

Hmm, what are the very first words of the bill of rights.... goldent Mar 2016 #135

And yet by granting a certain religion special rights (to protect child rapists)because of its dogma trotsky Mar 2016 #136

OK, you are back to free exercise goldent Mar 2016 #137

The bottom line is, trotsky Mar 2016 #138

Your problem is you don't think big enough goldent Mar 2016 #139

You're good with it unrestricted freedom to practice religion, eh? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #140

Yeah, preventing the rape of children is more important to me. Sorry about that. trotsky Mar 2016 #141

You are right, you didn't suggest we ignore the 1st amendment. goldent Mar 2016 #142

Thank you for your admission of error. trotsky Mar 2016 #143

"prohibiting the free exercise thereof" cpwm17 May 2016 #160

You sound like the gun nuts hammering away at "shall not be infringed". Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #127

People become frustrated when they see those they hate having rights. goldent Mar 2016 #128

When morality fails you, fall back on the law. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #130

A nation of laws and not men. goldent Mar 2016 #131

Or a backward, Napoleonic Lousiana? Brettongarcia May 2016 #151

It has been appealed and not reversed. rug May 2016 #156

But other states have different laws on disclosure Brettongarcia May 2016 #158

honestly, I'm sure we really want to know what the fuck is wrong with them Skittles May 2016 #154

The ultimate failure of religion Cartoonist May 2016 #153

I'm so F'en fed up with religious freedom in this country. It's a total cop out for anything. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #155