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Goblinmonger

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85. So why should priests be different than therapists at this point?

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Louisiana Judge Rules That Priests Don’t Have to Report Abuse if They Hear It During Confession [View all] trotsky Mar 2016 OP

Does that work for a terrorist plot? a plan to blow up churches? StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #1

I think so. hollysmom Mar 2016 #102

I am pretty sure it would. arely staircase May 2016 #157

I'm sure it should. But? Brettongarcia May 2016 #161

Different laws for religions is never ever a good idea. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #2

Unbelievable: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #3

W.O.W. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #4

I would think religious people would want to fight evil, not enable it. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #5

This is so fucking stupid. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #6

That was my question edhopper Mar 2016 #7

Yes, it is different nichomachus Mar 2016 #8

Oh bullshit. trotsky Mar 2016 #9

Well, maybe we could just put cameras in every home nichomachus Mar 2016 #10

And the jump to slippery slope! trotsky Mar 2016 #11

Making priests report crimes is morally equivalent to domestic spying? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #12

I'd stop digging if I were you - the deeper you go, mr blur Mar 2016 #21

You mean something like "God is always watching"? Lordquinton Mar 2016 #47

+41,124 Angry Dragon Mar 2016 #94

Let's say for the sake of argument Dorian Gray Mar 2016 #46

How can you be sure about the facts here? struggle4progress Mar 2016 #56

I understand Dorian Gray Mar 2016 #66

Why is Progress always citing need for more information Brettongarcia May 2016 #150

"Fuggin facts! Who needs em?" struggle4progress May 2016 #159

Even in courts of law.... Brettongarcia May 2016 #162

Such a privilege is traditionally considered that of the client/patient/parishioner Jim Lane Mar 2016 #60

Does this apply edhopper Mar 2016 #63

No, that's one of the exceptions. Jim Lane Mar 2016 #64

Thanks edhopper Mar 2016 #65

He actually has a point here whatthehey Mar 2016 #13

Well, that settles it, then. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #14

Well no whatthehey Mar 2016 #15

Right edhopper Mar 2016 #16

Which still does not address the legal issue whatthehey Mar 2016 #23

There are plenty of ways the law requires people, even the clergy edhopper Mar 2016 #28

Look, this is absurd. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #19

Unless that "you" is generic you are laughably off base whatthehey Mar 2016 #25

Yes, it is generic. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #30

OK, but even if you prefer the ethical angle, about which I agree FWIW whatthehey Mar 2016 #33

We prosecute faith-healing parents when they fail to provide medical care to their children. trotsky Mar 2016 #34

Traditionally, celestial marriage was necessary for Mormons to enter the highest heaven. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #37

Oh noes! trotsky Mar 2016 #40

But excommunication can be undone. trotsky Mar 2016 #31

I'll take your word that it can whatthehey Mar 2016 #36

Nope, you can't go that route. trotsky Mar 2016 #38

If a guilty Catholic refuses to confess actual crimes in confessional, trotsky Mar 2016 #17

Sure, but the compulsion is on the priest whatthehey Mar 2016 #26

Trying to argue for "equal protection" is really not appropriate here. trotsky Mar 2016 #29

Sorry. I will not be a hypocrite whatthehey Mar 2016 #41

"If we want religious liberty it has to be universal" trotsky Mar 2016 #44

Universal as in to all religions. Clearly things like Aztec sacrifice are not and should not be ok whatthehey May 2016 #144

"Clearly" - why, because murder would be involved in that? trotsky May 2016 #145

Not at all whatthehey May 2016 #146

It is one thing to state that rights should be universal as applied to *people*. trotsky May 2016 #147

Again, false inference whatthehey May 2016 #148

But who gets to define "harm"? You and you alone? trotsky May 2016 #149

"meaningful sins"? Say no more! mr blur Mar 2016 #22

Christ when will people read... whatthehey Mar 2016 #27

Good. The inviolability of the confessional seal is ancient catholic doctrine. struggle4progress Mar 2016 #18

Right. Wouldn't want child abuse getting in the way of ancient Catholic doctrine. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #20

A suit was originally filed in 2009 by the parents on behalf of the minor, alleging that in 2008, struggle4progress Mar 2016 #24

Wow. That's really interesting. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #32

And here I'd thought I'd nicely explained some legal issues and context. Ah, well. struggle4progress Mar 2016 #35

Fuck legality. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #39

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law! struggle4progress Mar 2016 #71

Oh, boy! Quotes! Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #72

You're np Rpbert Bolt. rug Mar 2016 #77

You neglected to mention, only 6 states protect that end of the confession. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #49

Actually, in many states, clergy are listed as mandatory reporters BUT struggle4progress Mar 2016 #52

I don't know about the rest of your list AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #53

"Good." Lordquinton Mar 2016 #50

I cannot believe I read that on DU.... truebrit71 Mar 2016 #58

Sadly, I knew from the get-go the apologists would minimize this. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #69

Some precision is appropriate. According to the appeals court decision: struggle4progress Mar 2016 #68

So therapists are mandatory reporters, but not so much priests? Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #42

Hell, I'm a mandatory reporter. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #43

We could make everybody mandatory reporters of everything, y'know: struggle4progress Mar 2016 #54

Misprision of a Felony. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #120

Misprision of felony is typically charged when there is inadequate evidence to charge struggle4progress Mar 2016 #121

Uh, no, it's not two steps removed, it's one step removed. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #122

Special pleading bullshit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #48

I already quoted the Louisiana Supreme Court on Louisiana law: struggle4progress Mar 2016 #55

Confession shouldn't carry special protected status. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #70

Passing the Plate for Pedophiles Skittles May 2016 #152

So it's "ancient catholic doctrine" skepticscott Mar 2016 #59

Question about Catholic doctrine Jim Lane Mar 2016 #61

Let me say first that I entirely agree with your comment upthread struggle4progress Mar 2016 #62

Sorry, but that's pretty much all theology skepticscott Mar 2016 #67

Oh God Dorian Gray Mar 2016 #45

Seriously, if there is a god... trotsky Mar 2016 #51

That's despicable. Absolutely despicable. truebrit71 Mar 2016 #57

Catholics. Iggo Mar 2016 #73

The RCC has always considered itself above secular authorities. trotsky Mar 2016 #74

That's a very poor understanding of history. rug Mar 2016 #75

Whatever you say, rug. trotsky Mar 2016 #78

Whatever will you talk about now, trotsky? rug Mar 2016 #79

OK. Let's assume for a second that priests should be different than therapists Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #80

Because at that point every thing the confessor says in confession becomes open to examination. rug Mar 2016 #81

So why should priests be different than therapists at this point? Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #85

They have significantly different functions. rug Mar 2016 #88

Yeah, one is real, and one is imaginary. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #98

Some posts are informed and others are simply uninformed. rug Mar 2016 #105

Can't be informed by non-existent entities. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #107

Of course you can. rug Mar 2016 #108

I can learn lots of things from mythology. Not sure what that has to do with being Informed though. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #109

So do teachers and doctors skepticscott Mar 2016 #99

Because of their different functions, they have different mandating triggers. rug Mar 2016 #106

And how is a priest's function more important skepticscott Mar 2016 #114

Read the decision, scottie. rug Mar 2016 #115

The decision is just skepticscott Mar 2016 #117

In that case, you'll be able to quote the holding. rug Mar 2016 #118

Would the same apply if the confessor said that they may molest a kid again? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #90

No, the seal is absolute. rug Mar 2016 #91

Ugh, why the fuck is that even legal? Such a morally repugnant practice... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #92

How do you feel about evidentiary privileges in general? rug Mar 2016 #93

In general I'm neutral on the idea, but they always come with limits, which aren't... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #95

A psychiatrist knows his patient. The confessional is, by design, anonymous. rug Mar 2016 #97

Its not always anonymous, and you have yet to justify why they shouldn't follow... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #110

First, I don't have to justify a thing; the court decision's done that. rug Mar 2016 #111

Medical care and legal services are real skepticscott Mar 2016 #101

That post is entirely a matter of opinion rug Mar 2016 #103

The "big deal" is entirely invented skepticscott Mar 2016 #100

That big deal has been examined, accepted, and applied strictly for a thousands years rug Mar 2016 #104

Nothing but blather skepticscott Mar 2016 #112

Nothing but ignorance. rug Mar 2016 #113

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #116

"you've been punked" rug Mar 2016 #119

The steadfast defense of the behavior of your church and its hierarchy is impressive. trotsky Mar 2016 #82

Yeah, yeah, yeah. rug Mar 2016 #83

That's cute. trotsky Mar 2016 #84

See #79. rug Mar 2016 #86

A priest who leaked Vatican documents is in a Vatican jail. Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #87

I suppose it's good that they make their priorities so abundantly clear. trotsky Mar 2016 #89

So true edhopper Mar 2016 #76

Everything will work out in the end Angry Dragon Mar 2016 #96

I'm surprised that the requirement to report what was said in a goldent Mar 2016 #123

Don't you just love religious privilege? trotsky Mar 2016 #124

Yeah, the two little words "free exercise" are huge. goldent Mar 2016 #125

Especially great when that "free exercise" grants privileges no one else enjoys. trotsky Mar 2016 #126

I think there are plenty of rights for everyone in the constituation goldent Mar 2016 #129

I don't know that the "constituation" grants anyone rights. trotsky Mar 2016 #132

Having rights listed in the constitution is pretty important goldent Mar 2016 #133

LOLOLOL trotsky Mar 2016 #134

Hmm, what are the very first words of the bill of rights.... goldent Mar 2016 #135

And yet by granting a certain religion special rights (to protect child rapists)because of its dogma trotsky Mar 2016 #136

OK, you are back to free exercise goldent Mar 2016 #137

The bottom line is, trotsky Mar 2016 #138

Your problem is you don't think big enough goldent Mar 2016 #139

You're good with it unrestricted freedom to practice religion, eh? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #140

Yeah, preventing the rape of children is more important to me. Sorry about that. trotsky Mar 2016 #141

You are right, you didn't suggest we ignore the 1st amendment. goldent Mar 2016 #142

Thank you for your admission of error. trotsky Mar 2016 #143

"prohibiting the free exercise thereof" cpwm17 May 2016 #160

You sound like the gun nuts hammering away at "shall not be infringed". Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #127

People become frustrated when they see those they hate having rights. goldent Mar 2016 #128

When morality fails you, fall back on the law. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #130

A nation of laws and not men. goldent Mar 2016 #131

Or a backward, Napoleonic Lousiana? Brettongarcia May 2016 #151

It has been appealed and not reversed. rug May 2016 #156

But other states have different laws on disclosure Brettongarcia May 2016 #158

honestly, I'm sure we really want to know what the fuck is wrong with them Skittles May 2016 #154

The ultimate failure of religion Cartoonist May 2016 #153

I'm so F'en fed up with religious freedom in this country. It's a total cop out for anything. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #155