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trotsky

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22. Because as we all know, that's not the summation of religious belief.

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:58 PM

Mar 2016

Your belief goes well beyond the simple idea that "the origin of all matter has a cause," as does pretty much every religion.

This tactic is the old bait-and-switch - back your belief way off to general, nebulous claims full of ambiguous terms, such that no objection could possibly be made... and then when no one's looking, slap back on all the extra baggage about sins and resurrection and communion or whatever else your religion entails.

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What makes "belief" and "faith" so special? [View all] DetlefK Mar 2016 OP

Because people need it skepticscott Mar 2016 #1

I know you are right, but I will never, ever understand it. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #2

You believe without evidence. rug Mar 2016 #4

I don't. I never have, even as a child. That's why I will never get it. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #39

"I know it exists, but, gut level, I just don't get it." rug Mar 2016 #42

Gut level, I don't get believing without evidence. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #43

There's nothing gratuitous about it. rug Mar 2016 #44

I stand corrected. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #46

No I don't. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #55

Post your evidence that faith is an emotional weakness. rug Mar 2016 #3

It'll follow right behind skepticscott Mar 2016 #5

I see. Once again - nothing. rug Mar 2016 #8

As I said, you first skepticscott Mar 2016 #11

You can say it ten times. It's still your claim. rug Mar 2016 #19

I'm going to follow your example, ruggie skepticscott Mar 2016 #23

You've declared you have nothing. rug Mar 2016 #30

I've shown that you have no more than me skepticscott Mar 2016 #40

You've shown nothing. rug Mar 2016 #41

Hey, could you have your god call me and vouch for you? Human101948 Mar 2016 #51

Call yourself. rug Mar 2016 #52

Phone is disconnected... Human101948 Mar 2016 #53

Because it's an emotional state that puts you into danger: DetlefK Mar 2016 #7

Faith says: "I'm convinced it worked out. No need to check." IMO This is a straw man. I've known jonno99 Mar 2016 #12

4 problems DetlefK Mar 2016 #45

Bam. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #56

Bam? Are you claiming scientists are paragons of emotional health? rug Apr 2016 #59

Correlation/causation. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #61

That link does not demonstrate what you think it does. rug Apr 2016 #65

Oh you want to play that game. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #67

The last refuge of the defenders of religious privilege is, as you note... trotsky Mar 2016 #6

Faith seems to be the perfect way to answer questions about the 'spiritual' side of life. mr blur Mar 2016 #9

Here's a try. Festivito Mar 2016 #10

Thank you for a lovely demonstration of equivocation. trotsky Mar 2016 #14

What equivocation and where? Or, did you mean: elaboration, in which case, thank you. Festivito Mar 2016 #20

I used the word I intended to. trotsky Mar 2016 #21

Ah. There is still no what equivocates or where it is, requested in my last post. eom Festivito Mar 2016 #25

Oh, I thought you would figure that out from the excerpt given. trotsky Mar 2016 #27

Used twice, 1. defined and 2. used in a sentence. That cannot be equivocal use. Festivito Mar 2016 #32

Yes, it is equivocation. trotsky Mar 2016 #33

Ah-ha! You're saying the OP use of faith differs from my definition and usage -- just not how. Festivito Mar 2016 #36

The simplest definition of equivocation: trotsky Mar 2016 #47

It seems to me that the discussion is moot - unless there is a god/creator. jonno99 Mar 2016 #13

By that argument, if it's reasonable to believe in any one god skepticscott Mar 2016 #15

It seems to me that the question stands on it's own: is it reasonable to jonno99 Mar 2016 #17

Because as we all know, that's not the summation of religious belief. trotsky Mar 2016 #22

Please see my below reponse to SS...nt jonno99 Mar 2016 #29

Except that it isn't the same question skepticscott Mar 2016 #24

It is the same basic question: jonno99 Mar 2016 #28

There is a huge problem with your reasoning: trotsky Mar 2016 #31

That is a curious response. I've simply asked two questions. jonno99 Mar 2016 #34

No, I'm pointing out your line of reasoning is flawed. trotsky Mar 2016 #35

"there is no way to do so" Of course - unless the creator chooses to jonno99 Mar 2016 #37

Tell you what - when you can get some agreement on that, trotsky Mar 2016 #38

Well, a few thoughts come to mind: jonno99 Mar 2016 #48

One step back first: trotsky Mar 2016 #49

All great questions - all great points. But it merely brings us back to my first statement: jonno99 Mar 2016 #50

But your first statement is where it goes off the rails. trotsky Apr 2016 #54

In answer to your questions: jonno99 Apr 2016 #57

Hold on there. trotsky Apr 2016 #58

Any response yet? n/t trotsky Apr 2016 #60

My appologies for bouncing. jonno99 Apr 2016 #62

I thought that was answered. trotsky Apr 2016 #63

So, just to be clear, is the following scenario the one to which your are referring? jonno99 Apr 2016 #64

May I see the statistical analysis you've done... trotsky Apr 2016 #66

Which numbers would you like? jonno99 Apr 2016 #68

No, let's really be honest. trotsky Apr 2016 #69

response: jonno99 Apr 2016 #70

Alright, I'll bite. trotsky Apr 2016 #71

Please, now it seems you're being disingenuous. jonno99 Apr 2016 #72

I'm completely serious. trotsky Apr 2016 #73

I'm completely serious as well. It's not difficult however, to see where your headed - jonno99 Apr 2016 #74

Hawking is not making the point you think he is. trotsky Apr 2016 #75

Yes, we can all see what Hawkings is discussing, and yes, in Hawkings' "ponderings" jonno99 Apr 2016 #79

First off, his name is Hawking. Not "Hawkings." trotsky Apr 2016 #81

Faith is belief in the impossible. Iggo Mar 2016 #16

I don't solve my everyday problems with my faith. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #18

"Faith" is a misnomer and is incorrectly used nichomachus Mar 2016 #26

I think that faith is a very variable term. It doesn't have to mean faith in God (or a god) per se. LisaM Apr 2016 #76

So, faith is just a feeling??? DetlefK Apr 2016 #77

I didn't say that - I think it's a belief in some ultimate concept of good LisaM Apr 2016 #78

But that just moves the problem of legitimacy to the word "belief". DetlefK Apr 2016 #82

Why should we care? LisaM Apr 2016 #84

The more I discuss with believers, the more religion confuses me. DetlefK Apr 2016 #87

What makes "belief" and "faith" so special? In-group and out-group markers Albertoo Apr 2016 #80

I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that "belief" and "faith" havespecial definitions for believers. DetlefK Apr 2016 #83

This right here..."in-group / out-group" dynamics Fix The Stupid Apr 2016 #85

Not so much a fantastic scam as an unfortunate heirloom Albertoo Apr 2016 #86