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MisterFred

(525 posts)
10. Meh.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:19 PM
Apr 2016

Both of those reviews contain exactly the kind of flawed thinking I criticized Johnson for.

Dominic Jonson (Evolution Institute review) is an professor of international relations talking about psychology. And doing it badly, by assuming game theory directly applies. It's another example of assuming the techniques of your competency (in this case international relations) are good for solving problems your competency is NOT designed to solve.

I didn't catch the author for the review in The Economist. But that author assumes that Evolutionary Biology is the best possible discipline to solve the question "Why do people believe in God?" In the process, they adopt several teleological arguments (extrapolating purpose/design from function). Example of how this becomes fail: an alien anthropologist looks through their telescope at the Earth on a hot day. It sees a woman fanning herself with a pamphlet she got at the doctor's office. The Alien anthropologist extrapolates purpose from function and writes an article about how humans design folded paper for use as cooling devices.

Despite a caveat, The Economist's author assumes that organized religion causes successful cultures because large, powerful political or ethnic groups generally exhibit organized religion. This is taking available evidence WAY too far. Anyone trained in the Humanities worth their salt will immediately recognize that we can't assume that organized religion causes large, powerful political or ethnic groups. But scientists convince themselves that enough examples of this happening is "confirmation" of their hypothesis. That would work if it's a repeatable experiment you can run multiple times, altering variables, the way science is supposed to work.

But multiple examples in history are NOT THE SAME as multiple results from a properly designed scientific experiment. Without being able to design and repeat an experiment, we can't verify if high social organization or the large size of a polity tend to establish organized religions, not the other way around (that's the argument I would make - something for another day). Alternatively, you could challenge the assumption that large, powerful societies are an indication of successful humanity (an assumption necessary to define evolutionary advantage as Dominic Johnson has). You could say that there are large, powerful societies because they destroy and assimilate lots of smaller societies, potentially reducing human success (however you define that) overall. That would make it a bad evolutionary strategy to create large and powerful societies, which is an assumption necessary to the work of Dominic Johnson and the writing of The Economist reviewer.

Those reviews are just further evidence that people foolish enough to think that the scientific method is the best approach to all problems of knowledge get suckered into making the same errors over and over again. Humanities are the humanities instead of sciences because they are disciplines that deal with problems of knowledge that the scientific method simply doesn't apply to, not because scholars in the humanities are just old-fashioned and refuse to use the scientific method. The author of the book and the author of the review in The Economist are another pair of scientists suckered into making mistakes by their own ignorance of the fundamentals of their discipline - including their discipline's limitations.

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What rubbish! Cartoonist Apr 2016 #1
Agreed rurallib Apr 2016 #2
Exactly, for those that believe rock Apr 2016 #52
His doctorate in evolutionary biology too? rug Apr 2016 #3
He should be roundly ridiculed at least. MisterFred Apr 2016 #5
Ok, he can keep that one Cartoonist Apr 2016 #6
You take a rather dim view of academic freedom, don't you? stone space Apr 2016 #17
Academic freedom? Cartoonist Apr 2016 #18
Sounds like you are out to remake higher education in your own image. stone space Apr 2016 #20
I am not alone. Cartoonist Apr 2016 #21
He's wrong. MisterFred Apr 2016 #4
the reviews have been thoughtfuol and positive. rug Apr 2016 #8
Meh. MisterFred Apr 2016 #10
Just sayin' Cartoonist Apr 2016 #19
Yes, I thought of that too. :) MisterFred Apr 2016 #23
The holes get a lot deeper Major Nikon Apr 2016 #50
Yeah, those religious believers skepticscott Apr 2016 #7
Simplistic. rug Apr 2016 #9
As relevant as the evidence presented by the author of the book you posted about. nt MisterFred Apr 2016 #11
So, are you saying that poster is as wrong as the author of the book? rug Apr 2016 #12
More or less. MisterFred Apr 2016 #13
But of course. Kudos to Johnson for his honesty. nt jonno99 Apr 2016 #14
Peer reviewed honesty. rug Apr 2016 #15
The book isn't peer reviewed. MisterFred Apr 2016 #24
Check his publications and the topics. rug Apr 2016 #27
Thank you. MisterFred Apr 2016 #33
Perhaps some people that are not otherwise inclined to do good cpwm17 Apr 2016 #16
Uhm, not sure how to take the article seriously when it misapplies Dawkins' The Selfish Gene to... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #22
I am glad rug likes the idea edhopper Apr 2016 #25
I am not glad ed doesn't know what I like. rug Apr 2016 #28
Is that a double negative? edhopper Apr 2016 #29
Acstually, no. Parse it again. rug Apr 2016 #30
I am not glad that you are not glad edhopper Apr 2016 #31
A subject line to make any utilitarian weep. :) nt MisterFred Apr 2016 #34
Like...Cool Man edhopper Apr 2016 #35
It's about control. So mankind would not have evolved Lint Head Apr 2016 #26
Sounds like an interesting book. Jim__ Apr 2016 #32
It's certainly more interesting than reading "Religion Poisons Everything" every other day. rug Apr 2016 #39
Even if this were so, you can't believe in something just because it might make you behave better if LeftishBrit Apr 2016 #36
I think it's less about belief than the evolutionary advantage of belief. rug Apr 2016 #37
That's what my argument was intended to be about in the last paragraph of my post LeftishBrit Apr 2016 #38
I suspect belief or nonbelief does not make one act better or worse. rug Apr 2016 #40
It all depends what you believe in Fumesucker Apr 2016 #41
I didn't realize you disagreed with the book's argument. NT MisterFred Apr 2016 #42
I don't believe in a punishing God but I can see its social advantage. rug Apr 2016 #43
Uh, yes it does. MisterFred Apr 2016 #44
No, it doesn't. rug Apr 2016 #45
Not one individual, no. MisterFred Apr 2016 #46
Dominic is a pathetic apologist for religion, and completely ignorant of all scientific studies in AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #47
Dominic is an atheist. Sometimes I think you (plural) don't have a clue what apologist means. rug Apr 2016 #48
One does not have to be a member, to be an apologist. See S.E. Cupp. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #49
I've recently read a scientific paper that basically said the same. DetlefK Apr 2016 #51
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