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longship

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5. When one speaks of peace, aren't non-believers part of the interested parties?
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:17 PM
Apr 2012

Or maybe we should just shut up? Maybe we don't belong in a discussion about interreligious warfare? I would remind all religious here that in many of what might be called religious wars, non-believers are often the most persecuted.

It is precisely that to which I object. The extent to which non-believers are not included is the extent to which the problems are not all going to be addressed.

It is precisely the same arguments that the America is a Christian nation crowd make, that the freedoms in the First Amendment only apply to believers (maybe even just Christians, to listen to many of them). Of course anybody who has paid attention to the House and Senate debates during the adoption of the amendment would know that those specific phrasings were explicitly voted down and the only surviving one was the most liberal one, no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Here is where I stand. As a non-believer I have no other choice. Where would you draw the line?

As always I welcome your input as well as your respectful disagreements.

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I resent this thinking longship Apr 2012 #1
Who is asking for deference? This has nothing to do with atheism, imo. cbayer Apr 2012 #2
When one speaks of peace, aren't non-believers part of the interested parties? longship Apr 2012 #5
Of course non-believers are interested parties in world peace. cbayer Apr 2012 #6
As a previous church-goer (as Larkin put it) longship Apr 2012 #13
Tell us why anybody would object to people of different faith traditions working togegther? Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #18
When There Is Peace Among Religions AlbertCat Apr 2012 #3
You are likely correct, but does that mean we shouldn't try? cbayer Apr 2012 #4
I like the optimism, but I'm not at all sold EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #7
But the idea of starting with some longstanding, contentious, power grabbing, cbayer Apr 2012 #8
Humans don't have a great track record of peace EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #12
Something interesting... laconicsax Apr 2012 #9
Attacking the messenger is far more effective against out-group messengers. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #14
+1 n/t trotsky Apr 2012 #17
Of course the statement you quote is accurate. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #19
You do know that the things you write are still there, yes? Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #20
One of the marks of fundamentalists is that they are fond of quoting out of context. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #24
If I ever said anything like that about a theist on here Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #28
If it's accurate, then why did you make an entire OP dedicated to its converse? laconicsax Apr 2012 #21
No fair. That's a "gotcha" question. trotsky Apr 2012 #23
Maybe I should ask what newspapers he reads... laconicsax Apr 2012 #26
And yet someone you know well skepticscott Apr 2012 #10
I sorta think dark forest Apr 2012 #11
One of the primary facets of religion is grouping. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #15
I find it interesting that on this "Unity pendant"... trotsky Apr 2012 #16
You noticed that too? laconicsax Apr 2012 #25
He explains this in the article. cbayer Apr 2012 #27
So this is more about him skepticscott Apr 2012 #29
Now you can see why your calls for "discussion" and "dialogue" skepticscott Apr 2012 #22
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