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In reply to the discussion: Do 9/11, San Bernardino and Nice illustrate a problem with Islamic theology? [View all]Albertoo
(2,016 posts)12. Massive fail: Islamic Supremacism has been official doctrine in both centuries
The XIXth century opened in the Mediterranean with the Barbary Wars.
The origin of the Barbary wars was official Muslim supremacism:
In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:
"It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once."
"It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once."
It continued during the full length of both centuries in Saudi Arabia, parts of which have continuously been forbidden land to 'impure' non-Muslims (Queen Elizabeth II had to be made an 'honorary male' by religious decree to be able to visit parts of the SA kingdom)
And anyone who did not notice a rise of Muslim Supremacism in the late XXth century needs to go and consult an optician: Iranian theocracy, oil monarchies pumping billions to export wahhabi/salafi Islam, Taliban regime, gradual radicalization of Pakistan, etc
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Do 9/11, San Bernardino and Nice illustrate a problem with Islamic theology? [View all]
Albertoo
Jul 2016
OP
Oh no, of course not. Religion isn't the basis for any religiously based terrorism at all!
cleanhippie
Jul 2016
#1
Christians did those things when Christianity was about the age that Islam is now.
Squinch
Jul 2016
#4
So where was the Islamic Supremacism, based on Islamic theology, in the 19th and 20th centuries?
rug
Jul 2016
#9
Massive fail: Islamic Supremacism has been official doctrine in both centuries
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#12
Your LOLs and broken links are not an answer to my quote about the Barbary Wars
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#16
The links should be fine. No kowledgable person says the Barbary Wars was about Islamic supremacism.
rug
Jul 2016
#19
Do you expect the State Department to be frank about the religious origins of war?
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#40
btw, XIXth century 'Saudi Arabia' started with a war in the name of radical Islam
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#18
So, the historical texts and references I provided are not evidence, your opinion is
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#64
What you have produced has lest coherence than what is found on a ladle dipped in stew.
rug
Jul 2016
#67
In retreat from Western Civilizations superior military force after 900 years of violent expansion
Leontius
Jul 2016
#71
You realize the zionist movement of the 20th century was led by atheists, don't you?
rug
Jul 2016
#100
Really reaching far out there to justify blaming the Arab-Israeli wars on British colonialism.
Leontius
Jul 2016
#110
Had we really investgated 9/11 maybe we could avoided a lot of what happenened in its wake.
Old and In the Way
Jul 2016
#6
Well, in this case, the first step would be scraping off the layers of information.
rug
Jul 2016
#32
You're just not a serious debater: you counter a quantifiable argument with propaganda
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#63
Today, only Islam has millions of believers supporting violence in the name of religion
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#36
I always said Islam is in need of a reformation towards the progressive side.
hrmjustin
Jul 2016
#49
Yup, it's all our fault, even the Ottoman killing of one million Armenians...ah, just about 100
demosincebirth
Jul 2016
#55
Amen, brother. But, for demographic reasons, Islam is currently the most toxic
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#73
In the 20th century, conflict caused by the West was worse than caused by the ME.
cpwm17
Jul 2016
#96
Were the Muslim invasion of Spain, siege of Vienna, slavery for centuries caused by the US?
Albertoo
Jul 2016
#112