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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:43 PM Jul 2016

Not Everyone Who Criticises Islam Is Islamophobic [View all]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sorab-shroff/radical-islam-lgbt-rights_b_11080724.html

Every time an Islamic State sponsored or Islamic State-inspired attack occurs in the West, I notice a particular scenario play out on social media amongst my friends on the left: first there is the "we are with you, we are heartbroken" posts, then there is the "this has nothing to do with Islam" posts followed by the "don't be Islamophobic, Muslims died during these attacks, so it proves the people who perpetrated the attack are not Muslims" posts.

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All Islamophobes are critical of Islam. However, not everyone who is critical of Islam is an Islamophobe. Anyone who attacks another human being verbally or physically based on their race or religion is committing a hate crime - and the law should deal with that. No human being should feel attacked for their faith (or for their lack of faith). However, this does not mean we have to play out this depressing "we-are-with-you; this has nothing to do with Islam; don't be Islamophobic" scenario each Islamic State-inspired attack occurs. All that is doing is signalling to our friends how virtuous and 'nice' we are.

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If the people perpetrating these attacks believe they are Muslims, who are we to take their self-identities away from them? Every person has the right to their own religious self-description, even murderous thugs. The old line of "he ate pork and smoked and had sex with men, so he is not a Muslim" is crazy. If that is your definition of being a Muslim it would exclude the millions of Muslims around the world who happily smoke, drink, eat pork - and have sex with men (although in most Islamic societies most of these are done secretly because it is forbidden in so many of those societies). This "he ate pork so he can't be a Muslim" argument is a desperate argument. Dogs are considered extremely unclean according to Islam's holy book - does that mean that a Muslim person who is fond of dogs and keeps one as a pet is no longer a Muslim?

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Of course the majority of people who follow Islam (and the majority of people who follow any religion - or no religion) are peace-loving - no one disputes that. However, the people committing these awful acts are following a literal interpretation of Islam - and until as a society we are able to openly acknowledge that, we will not be able to counter those views. After all, if one does not admit what the cause of something is, one can never fix it. The violent periods of Christian violence in centuries past only subsided because society recognised it, spoke up against it - and criticised those aspects of the Bible which were not compatible with the modern world. Why are we so terrified to do the same with Islam?
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K&R nt jonno99 Jul 2016 #1
K&R n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #2
Do you agree with this, trotsky? rug Jul 2016 #3
You left off gender and sexual orientation Lordquinton Jul 2016 #4
Why don't you answer for him? rug Jul 2016 #6
define attack edhopper Jul 2016 #5
trotsky took the trouble to post it. You'll have to ask him. rug Jul 2016 #7
i just checked the link edhopper Jul 2016 #8
we need more words RussBLib Jul 2016 #9
I think criticism of all religions is fine and healthy. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #10
Did Huffington Post remove this article? surgeon Jul 2016 #11
The article is 10 days old, looks like it's not available anymore Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #12
:) surgeon Jul 2016 #13
Bummer, it was a good one. trotsky Aug 2016 #40
Well, for every ISIS fundie, there's a bunch of Khizr Khans. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #14
Within our borders Cartoonist Jul 2016 #15
Build a wall! rug Jul 2016 #16
So you're OK with Sharia law Cartoonist Jul 2016 #17
Overall, no. What you fail to grasp is there is no Sharia law, or any other law, without state power rug Jul 2016 #18
It's what's in the mind Cartoonist Jul 2016 #19
That's bizarre. Actions are what have consequence. rug Jul 2016 #20
There are no actions Cartoonist Jul 2016 #21
And there are far more thoughts than actions. rug Jul 2016 #22
Do you also approve Cartoonist Jul 2016 #23
What I don't approve of is stereotypes. rug Jul 2016 #24
See reply #16 Cartoonist Jul 2016 #25
Tsk, tsk. rug Jul 2016 #26
You wrote #16 Cartoonist Jul 2016 #29
Replying to you is the closest I get. rug Jul 2016 #30
Orthodox Jewish communities would be shocked to Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #50
You are citing a single poll that has been roundly discredited. Zynx Jul 2016 #31
You may be right Cartoonist Jul 2016 #34
It was probably that one. Other polls have shown US Muslims have social and cultural Zynx Jul 2016 #35
Very true, Not Everyone Who Criticises Islam Is Islamophobic. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #27
I don't Cartoonist Jul 2016 #32
All violence is to be condemned no matter the motivation. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #33
Agreed surgeon Jul 2016 #36
When some Christians criticize violence committed in the guillaumeb Jul 2016 #37
Thanks Guillaumeb surgeon Jul 2016 #38
Glad to clarify. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #39
So you've just said something rather interesting. Let me make sure I understand it. trotsky Aug 2016 #41
What I said was: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #42
"those who criticize all religion are, in my personal view, intolerant of the concept of belief" trotsky Aug 2016 #43
Then we might disagree. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #44
Nope, those absolutely do NOT say the same thing. trotsky Aug 2016 #45
More clarification needed? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #46
I dunno, the more you "clarify" the more you demonstrate you don't get it. trotsky Aug 2016 #47
A very "interesting" response. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #48
I have received the "answers" I knew I would get. trotsky Aug 2016 #49
True. deathrind Jul 2016 #28
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