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7. You have inadvertently put your finger on the crux of the matter.

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:39 PM

Jul 2016

God is posited as eternal, outside of time and space, with no beginning or end. The Uncaused Cause, an argument going back to Aristotle.

In that sense, the question you asked is irrelevant to the concept of god under examination, as is the demand for finite evidence of the existence of such a god.

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You of all people can afford the $19.99 download. rug Jul 2016 #2

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Where did the matter come from that exploded in the first explosion? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #4

It was left over Cartoonist Jul 2016 #5

Which begs the follow up question: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #6

If it was made in China anoNY42 Aug 2016 #29

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You have inadvertently put your finger on the crux of the matter. rug Jul 2016 #7

Matter Cartoonist Jul 2016 #8

Because by its very nature, it requires a cause and in turn makes an effect. rug Jul 2016 #9

With one major difference Cartoonist Jul 2016 #10

I can think. rug Jul 2016 #11

I think therefore edhopper Jul 2016 #12

I think, therefore it may. rug Aug 2016 #15

If all of creation is a reflection of the Creator, then yes, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #19

Reality vs imagination Cartoonist Aug 2016 #14

Do you think thinking is simply imagining? rug Aug 2016 #16

A and B edhopper Aug 2016 #17

Nothing important Cartoonist Aug 2016 #18

Seeing things is no guarantee of knowing things. rug Aug 2016 #20

that is why we don't trust edhopper Aug 2016 #21

What instruments do you use to take measurements of infinity? rug Aug 2016 #22

Is that Ram Das edhopper Aug 2016 #23

That's Baba to you. rug Aug 2016 #24

I don't think a construct like infinity edhopper Aug 2016 #25

Well, then, do you accept or reject such a construct? rug Aug 2016 #26

I accept the concept. edhopper Aug 2016 #27

So, how do you measure it? rug Aug 2016 #28

it's a construct used in math edhopper Aug 2016 #50

Math, usually. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #30

Hardly. rug Aug 2016 #39

Moore's law applies, in this case. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #42

By the same token, one cannot assert there is no evidence of a god if they lack the rug Aug 2016 #44

Infinity is a thing that 'we get'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #54

By definition, infinity can not be within anything, including another infinity. rug Aug 2016 #55

Then you sir are not a mathematician. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #57

Mathematics is a poor measure of meta-physics. We're not in the Mathematics Group, are we? rug Aug 2016 #58

I am unable to express infinity in any other way. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #59

It's a hard concept to even analogize. rug Aug 2016 #60

Infinity: does it exist? Jim__ Aug 2016 #61

Real interesting. Thanks. rug Aug 2016 #62

Matter is energy. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #32

At the end of the day you're confronted with either eternal matter/energy or rug Aug 2016 #33

No. It need not be eternal. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #34

If it either begins or ends, it is not eternal. rug Aug 2016 #37

Virtual particles pop in and out of existence all the time. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #40

From where? rug Aug 2016 #46

Presupposes a 'from'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #47

The nature of the thing demands it. rug Aug 2016 #48

Are you familiar with 'spooky action at a distance'? AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #52

The EPR Paradox. rug Aug 2016 #56

And you've call us "Incurious" AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #31

You really should identify "us" if you're speaking for them. rug Aug 2016 #36

You tell me. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #41

You used "us" so you tell me. rug Aug 2016 #45

That's an incredibly rude proclamation. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #53

I'd like to know how they came about determining their god was eternal Lordquinton Aug 2016 #43

Philosophy now says an uncaused cause is incoherent Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #35

I'll take your authority on incoherence but I need a link to the philosopy you assert. rug Aug 2016 #38

It was Nietzsche, I think, who warned us about spending too much time struggle4progress Aug 2016 #49

Intelligent Design destroyed with math: DetlefK Aug 2016 #51