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My first love's kiss did that to me. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2016 #1

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In a manner of speaking, yes. Xipe Totec Aug 2016 #3

Same here. FigTree Aug 2016 #32

Are the Tyson videos available online? Jim__ Aug 2016 #4

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Searched "youtube neil degrasse tyson". Jim__ Aug 2016 #8

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He's usually better than that. rug Aug 2016 #6

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Antitheist arguments against literalists are as pointless as they are predictable. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #26

QED. rug Aug 2016 #61

Oh god! AlbertCat Aug 2016 #62

I rest my case. rug Aug 2016 #63

I rest my case. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #64

First, he's talking about the "bible as literal truth" people who do think it's a science text Warpy Aug 2016 #9

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Do you believe Jesus existed? trotsky Aug 2016 #15

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So every believer is a literalist. trotsky Aug 2016 #28

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Nope, I understood perfectly. trotsky Aug 2016 #41

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"channel your inner William Clinton" - What the hell does that mean? trotsky Aug 2016 #52

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But you said Jesus literally existed? Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #83

I'll continue to point out exactly what it is you're saying for as long as you say it. trotsky Aug 2016 #85

Do you believe that Jesus died and was literally resurrected? cleanhippie Aug 2016 #16

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Answer the question. trotsky Aug 2016 #31

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Where is your answer? trotsky Aug 2016 #49

So Jesus, resurrecting, was really reborn? Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #84

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So the proffered reading of resurrection was not yours? Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #185

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So there's no stable, fixed, reliable meaning... Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #194

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Can we live our lives according to poetry, religion? Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #198

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How about living more by physical facts and science Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #204

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I use some philosophy. But priests and ministers.... Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #206

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There was no "matter that exploded" in "the Big Bang" Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #80

Funny how the same people who indignantly state that theology should be left to the theologians... trotsky Aug 2016 #88

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What it's all about Worktodo Aug 2016 #12

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Thanks and it's nice to be here Worktodo Aug 2016 #82

"The doctrine of the Trinity ... is stated in the Bible". No, it's not. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #13

Sure it is. trotsky Aug 2016 #20

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Hate to rain on your parade with pesky facts again, but... trotsky Aug 2016 #14

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Read my post again. trotsky Aug 2016 #36

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That is your opinion. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #44

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mutations are caused by radiation? AlbertCat Aug 2016 #51

We have evidence that radiation can cause mutations. trotsky Aug 2016 #54

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Ok how does this god force work? Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #81

Yes, that's exactly what you are doing. trotsky Aug 2016 #86

No, that's not my opinion. It's the definition of evolution. trotsky Aug 2016 #47

This whole thread fork is depressing because of how little you know. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #92

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You still don't get it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #148

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No, words like 'minority' and 'majority' have meaning. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #159

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I didn't change the conversation. You did in 33 and 42 when you tried to pretend that AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #163

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"natural selection" AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #166

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You're engaging in some significant intellectual dishonesty here. trotsky Aug 2016 #171

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That is not the majority christian view in the united states. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #176

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Ok, where'd you pull that number from? AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #178

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I didn't base 'majority' or 'minority' on poll results. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #180

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Yet again, you're falsely claiming the "28% say every single word of the bible is true" number muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #183

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Yes, Biblical literalists - the people who believe every letter is true muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #191

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No, you did say that. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #193

Then you're not a theist, you're a deist. trotsky Aug 2016 #187

That is the catholic view, that the creation and rules are fixed by a creator and the results must AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #172

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You'd like to pretend that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #175

um, no edhopper Aug 2016 #17

The vast majority of people who use "the vast majority" as a statistical percentage... Iggo Aug 2016 #23

We've had people seriously assert here that Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #101

No, you're OK with 'inerrantist' as a word muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #184

It's always funny to watch a believer say their holy texts don't mean what they say.... cleanhippie Aug 2016 #18

One of PZ Myers' greatest observations - the "Courtier's Reply." trotsky Aug 2016 #19

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You mean like believing that Jesus literally died and was literally resurrected? trotsky Aug 2016 #53

Do you believe Jesus existed, was killed and resurrected? cleanhippie Aug 2016 #58

56% of Americans think Adam and Eve were real, historical people muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #21

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It proves that only a minority of Americans don't think Adam and Eve were real muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #45

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The Gallup figure is for people who believe every word of the bible to be literal truth muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #120

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If you look at the transcript I've given you in #127, you find he was addressing the literalists muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #128

But part of your religion isn't faith Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #90

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There is in fact approximately zero direct evidence. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #109

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Hmmm. No actually it is a fact, accepted even by Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #119

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Again, the only independent contemporary Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #134

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Most of these date from c. 115 AD ff. Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #186

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Or they all heard the same unreliable rumor Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #195

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The tendency to believe anything Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #199

My answer to the tone argument is, as always: Fuck tone. Iggo Aug 2016 #22

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People respond better to bluntness. Iggo Aug 2016 #50

It turns out that deGrasse Tyson's tone was quite measured muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #129

why I say intellectually dishonest and simplistic. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #24

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a literal interpretation of the Bible. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #43

Why are atheists so MFM008 Aug 2016 #55

... trotsky Aug 2016 #56

Well said. nt jonno99 Aug 2016 #59

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The "snake waving Biblical literalist" is a great example of what is wrong with religion. trotsky Aug 2016 #89

Gazing in the mirror isn't terribly productive. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #94

Speak for yourself. rug Aug 2016 #98

ok. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #100

still didnt answer the question MFM008 Aug 2016 #79

That's why I'm an agnostic atheist. Because I know what words mean. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #93

Such nuance is wasted on some. trotsky Aug 2016 #96

Absolutely sure they know the unknowable . AlbertCat Aug 2016 #95

Because some people fall into the logical trap... trotsky Aug 2016 #99

Please post a link to the exact video clip you watched. trotsky Aug 2016 #57

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You said you didn't watch the video in #8, and the poster thought it was a different one muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #74

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OK, what you've put in the OP is a slightly longer version of what I posted in #45 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #127

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What part of "it's the fundamentalists who want to say that the bible is the literal truth of God" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #133

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But if you could have been bothered to link to the video, we'd have seen your opinion is bizarre muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #143

Well done, muriel. n/t trotsky Aug 2016 #145

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He explicitly said he was addressing fundamentalists, not educated Christians muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #154

I believe the videos you claim you watched don't exist. trotsky Aug 2016 #87

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Looks like my belief was correct for link 1 of 3. Waiting on the other two. trotsky Aug 2016 #144

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And much like our stances on religion itself... trotsky Aug 2016 #155

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Yes and you have faith that NDT said what you claim he said. trotsky Aug 2016 #157

I assume you've been busy today looking for those links. trotsky Aug 2016 #104

Thank you for a thought provoking and insightful thread. nt jonno99 Aug 2016 #60

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Yes I too am just shocked at the angry rejection of Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #102

Indeed. trotsky Aug 2016 #103

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"steaming pile of loopy horseshit" is exemplary logic. rug Aug 2016 #130

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QED. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #140

The Bible as anything other than metaphor is incomprehensibly evil. Moostache Aug 2016 #70

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Sure, I could.... Moostache Aug 2016 #72

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“What I saw that morning persuaded me that the scrivener was the victim of innate and incurable rug Aug 2016 #77

LeMaitre first proposed the Big Bang Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #91

Are you saying that your beef with NDT EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2016 #75

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Then I'm confused EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2016 #135

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You mischaracterized NDT's stance EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2016 #142

I'm sure everyone is as shocked as I am... trotsky Aug 2016 #146

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Perhaps you could link to the OTHER two videos in which you claimed he did the same thing. trotsky Aug 2016 #158

But, did he specifically say that EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2016 #181

I'd be happier to accept the notion that religious faith doesn't conflict with science... mike_c Aug 2016 #76

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lol Skittles Aug 2016 #78

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IF YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS LEAP OF FAITH Skittles Aug 2016 #123

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LOL Skittles Aug 2016 #125

I have faith that lightning can kick my ass. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #97

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One of us is, sure. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #136

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Does not require but also does not preclude. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #147

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Moses KNEW the burning bush (allegedly) was of god/god's angel messenger. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #160

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No, because then the water wouldnt' be at 0c. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #165

The guy who says NDT should leave theology to the theologians... trotsky Aug 2016 #167

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No. Not even close. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #170

BUT Skittles Aug 2016 #126

Focusing on the attitude instead of the substance can be Lint Head Aug 2016 #201

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Pretty sad. Rude? I think he was very polite in the clip you presented. immoderate Aug 2016 #203

LET THE RECORD FORMALLY SHOW THAT: trotsky Aug 2016 #207

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God speaks through you, then? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #210

That's the funniest part of this whole thread. trotsky Aug 2016 #211

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So, why do you insult Tyson for agreeing on that point? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #213

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Yes, I disagree. Your original post was extremely unclear muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #215

I attended a Catholic wedding two years ago with a full mass Orrex Aug 2016 #216

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