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Brettongarcia

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199. The tendency to believe anything
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:20 AM
Aug 2016

The suspension or simple lack of intelligence and reason.

In its origins in philosophy by the way, one merely temporarily "suspends belief" in something... in order to fairly try it out and examine it more carefully. Then if it fails? Then it has failed

From the Greek skeptics, Descartes, Kant, Husseralian phenomenology.

It was really the suspension of belief, not disbelief.

My first love's kiss did that to me. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2016 #1
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In a manner of speaking, yes. Xipe Totec Aug 2016 #3
Same here. FigTree Aug 2016 #32
Are the Tyson videos available online? Jim__ Aug 2016 #4
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Searched "youtube neil degrasse tyson". Jim__ Aug 2016 #8
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He's usually better than that. rug Aug 2016 #6
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Antitheist arguments against literalists are as pointless as they are predictable. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #26
QED. rug Aug 2016 #61
Oh god! AlbertCat Aug 2016 #62
I rest my case. rug Aug 2016 #63
I rest my case. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #64
First, he's talking about the "bible as literal truth" people who do think it's a science text Warpy Aug 2016 #9
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Do you believe Jesus existed? trotsky Aug 2016 #15
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So every believer is a literalist. trotsky Aug 2016 #28
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Nope, I understood perfectly. trotsky Aug 2016 #41
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"channel your inner William Clinton" - What the hell does that mean? trotsky Aug 2016 #52
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But you said Jesus literally existed? Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #83
I'll continue to point out exactly what it is you're saying for as long as you say it. trotsky Aug 2016 #85
Do you believe that Jesus died and was literally resurrected? cleanhippie Aug 2016 #16
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Answer the question. trotsky Aug 2016 #31
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Where is your answer? trotsky Aug 2016 #49
So Jesus, resurrecting, was really reborn? Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #84
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So the proffered reading of resurrection was not yours? Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #185
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So there's no stable, fixed, reliable meaning... Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #194
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Can we live our lives according to poetry, religion? Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #198
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How about living more by physical facts and science Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #204
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I use some philosophy. But priests and ministers.... Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #206
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There was no "matter that exploded" in "the Big Bang" Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #80
Funny how the same people who indignantly state that theology should be left to the theologians... trotsky Aug 2016 #88
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What it's all about Worktodo Aug 2016 #12
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Thanks and it's nice to be here Worktodo Aug 2016 #82
"The doctrine of the Trinity ... is stated in the Bible". No, it's not. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #13
Sure it is. trotsky Aug 2016 #20
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Hate to rain on your parade with pesky facts again, but... trotsky Aug 2016 #14
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Read my post again. trotsky Aug 2016 #36
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That is your opinion. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #44
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mutations are caused by radiation? AlbertCat Aug 2016 #51
We have evidence that radiation can cause mutations. trotsky Aug 2016 #54
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Ok how does this god force work? Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #81
Yes, that's exactly what you are doing. trotsky Aug 2016 #86
No, that's not my opinion. It's the definition of evolution. trotsky Aug 2016 #47
This whole thread fork is depressing because of how little you know. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #92
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You still don't get it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #148
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No, words like 'minority' and 'majority' have meaning. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #159
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I didn't change the conversation. You did in 33 and 42 when you tried to pretend that AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #163
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"natural selection" AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #166
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You're engaging in some significant intellectual dishonesty here. trotsky Aug 2016 #171
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That is not the majority christian view in the united states. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #176
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Ok, where'd you pull that number from? AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #178
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I didn't base 'majority' or 'minority' on poll results. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #180
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Yet again, you're falsely claiming the "28% say every single word of the bible is true" number muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #183
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Yes, Biblical literalists - the people who believe every letter is true muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #191
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No, you did say that. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #193
Then you're not a theist, you're a deist. trotsky Aug 2016 #187
That is the catholic view, that the creation and rules are fixed by a creator and the results must AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #172
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You'd like to pretend that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #175
um, no edhopper Aug 2016 #17
The vast majority of people who use "the vast majority" as a statistical percentage... Iggo Aug 2016 #23
We've had people seriously assert here that Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #101
No, you're OK with 'inerrantist' as a word muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #184
It's always funny to watch a believer say their holy texts don't mean what they say.... cleanhippie Aug 2016 #18
One of PZ Myers' greatest observations - the "Courtier's Reply." trotsky Aug 2016 #19
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You mean like believing that Jesus literally died and was literally resurrected? trotsky Aug 2016 #53
Do you believe Jesus existed, was killed and resurrected? cleanhippie Aug 2016 #58
56% of Americans think Adam and Eve were real, historical people muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #21
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It proves that only a minority of Americans don't think Adam and Eve were real muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #45
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The Gallup figure is for people who believe every word of the bible to be literal truth muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #120
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If you look at the transcript I've given you in #127, you find he was addressing the literalists muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #128
But part of your religion isn't faith Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #90
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There is in fact approximately zero direct evidence. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #109
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Hmmm. No actually it is a fact, accepted even by Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #119
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Again, the only independent contemporary Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #134
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Most of these date from c. 115 AD ff. Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #186
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Or they all heard the same unreliable rumor Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #195
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The tendency to believe anything Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #199
My answer to the tone argument is, as always: Fuck tone. Iggo Aug 2016 #22
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People respond better to bluntness. Iggo Aug 2016 #50
It turns out that deGrasse Tyson's tone was quite measured muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #129
why I say intellectually dishonest and simplistic. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #24
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a literal interpretation of the Bible. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #43
Why are atheists so MFM008 Aug 2016 #55
... trotsky Aug 2016 #56
Well said. nt jonno99 Aug 2016 #59
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The "snake waving Biblical literalist" is a great example of what is wrong with religion. trotsky Aug 2016 #89
Gazing in the mirror isn't terribly productive. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #94
Speak for yourself. rug Aug 2016 #98
ok. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #100
still didnt answer the question MFM008 Aug 2016 #79
That's why I'm an agnostic atheist. Because I know what words mean. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #93
Such nuance is wasted on some. trotsky Aug 2016 #96
Absolutely sure they know the unknowable . AlbertCat Aug 2016 #95
Because some people fall into the logical trap... trotsky Aug 2016 #99
Please post a link to the exact video clip you watched. trotsky Aug 2016 #57
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You said you didn't watch the video in #8, and the poster thought it was a different one muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #74
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OK, what you've put in the OP is a slightly longer version of what I posted in #45 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #127
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What part of "it's the fundamentalists who want to say that the bible is the literal truth of God" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #133
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But if you could have been bothered to link to the video, we'd have seen your opinion is bizarre muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #143
Well done, muriel. n/t trotsky Aug 2016 #145
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He explicitly said he was addressing fundamentalists, not educated Christians muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #154
I believe the videos you claim you watched don't exist. trotsky Aug 2016 #87
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Looks like my belief was correct for link 1 of 3. Waiting on the other two. trotsky Aug 2016 #144
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And much like our stances on religion itself... trotsky Aug 2016 #155
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Yes and you have faith that NDT said what you claim he said. trotsky Aug 2016 #157
I assume you've been busy today looking for those links. trotsky Aug 2016 #104
Thank you for a thought provoking and insightful thread. nt jonno99 Aug 2016 #60
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Yes I too am just shocked at the angry rejection of Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #102
Indeed. trotsky Aug 2016 #103
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"steaming pile of loopy horseshit" is exemplary logic. rug Aug 2016 #130
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QED. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #140
The Bible as anything other than metaphor is incomprehensibly evil. Moostache Aug 2016 #70
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Sure, I could.... Moostache Aug 2016 #72
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“What I saw that morning persuaded me that the scrivener was the victim of innate and incurable rug Aug 2016 #77
LeMaitre first proposed the Big Bang Brettongarcia Aug 2016 #91
Are you saying that your beef with NDT EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2016 #75
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Then I'm confused EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2016 #135
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You mischaracterized NDT's stance EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2016 #142
I'm sure everyone is as shocked as I am... trotsky Aug 2016 #146
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Perhaps you could link to the OTHER two videos in which you claimed he did the same thing. trotsky Aug 2016 #158
But, did he specifically say that EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2016 #181
I'd be happier to accept the notion that religious faith doesn't conflict with science... mike_c Aug 2016 #76
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lol Skittles Aug 2016 #78
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IF YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS LEAP OF FAITH Skittles Aug 2016 #123
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LOL Skittles Aug 2016 #125
I have faith that lightning can kick my ass. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #97
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One of us is, sure. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #136
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Does not require but also does not preclude. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #147
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Moses KNEW the burning bush (allegedly) was of god/god's angel messenger. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #160
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No, because then the water wouldnt' be at 0c. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #165
The guy who says NDT should leave theology to the theologians... trotsky Aug 2016 #167
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No. Not even close. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #170
BUT Skittles Aug 2016 #126
Focusing on the attitude instead of the substance can be Lint Head Aug 2016 #201
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Pretty sad. Rude? I think he was very polite in the clip you presented. immoderate Aug 2016 #203
LET THE RECORD FORMALLY SHOW THAT: trotsky Aug 2016 #207
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God speaks through you, then? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #210
That's the funniest part of this whole thread. trotsky Aug 2016 #211
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So, why do you insult Tyson for agreeing on that point? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #213
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Yes, I disagree. Your original post was extremely unclear muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #215
I attended a Catholic wedding two years ago with a full mass Orrex Aug 2016 #216
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