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Sun Oct 2, 2016, 11:28 AM

Oct 2016

Rosser's argument has been quickly exposed as an empty joke with no logic to be discerned.

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Atheists still waiting for proof that God exists [View all] Cartoonist Oct 2016 OP

In that case, describe that for which you want proof. rug Oct 2016 #1

A sentient being Cartoonist Oct 2016 #2

And what proof are you looking for? rug Oct 2016 #15

Prove any attribute you like Cartoonist Oct 2016 #19

Okay. What proof do you want for infinite? rug Oct 2016 #20

What have you got? Cartoonist Oct 2016 #21

You're begging the question. What proof can contain something infinite? rug Oct 2016 #22

Not so Cartoonist Oct 2016 #24

Okay prove where matter came from. rug Oct 2016 #28

Why? Cartoonist Oct 2016 #38

Because if you can't, there may be another thing to consider than an eternal, infinite universe. rug Oct 2016 #39

I know Cartoonist Oct 2016 #42

I consider the possibility of one to be rational. rug Oct 2016 #44

What's rational about assuming that possibility exists without evidence to support that assumption. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #76

Read the thread then get back to me about evidence. rug Oct 2016 #89

You find that it is good to worship a being that would destroy all of mankind except eight people?? Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #163

For starters, the question is whether it's rational to consider the existence of God. rug Oct 2016 #165

Evil existed before man ........... Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #166

Impossible. rug Oct 2016 #167

It says so in the Bible ........... god created the tree of knowledge .............. good and evil Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #168

Not at all what I said. I hope you have not based your world view on that. rug Oct 2016 #169

the ball should be in the court of those claiming the existence of god or gods rurallib Oct 2016 #26

"In that case, describe that for which you want proof." rug Oct 2016 #29

a god or gods existence rurallib Oct 2016 #30

Define the god you want proven. rug Oct 2016 #31

Circular bullshit. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #77

Now the circle is complete. rug Oct 2016 #80

It has to stop somewhere. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #83

Looks like it's on you. rug Oct 2016 #85

thanks to your smear. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #87

Yes, I see it's smeared. rug Oct 2016 #91

Define the god you want proven. AlbertCat Oct 2016 #143

If you're demanding evidence, state what you want evidence of. rug Oct 2016 #150

It should be obvious to you why many people can't believe in a god. cpwm17 Oct 2016 #151

Oh, it is and it has nothing to do with inapt notions of evidence. rug Oct 2016 #170

state what you want evidence of. AlbertCat Oct 2016 #156

There is no experiment that can be made, none at all. rug Oct 2016 #171

There is no experiment that can be made, none at all. AlbertCat Oct 2016 #172

Ah, another hope, no matter how slight, dashed. rug Oct 2016 #175

Ah, another hope, no matter how slight, dashed. AlbertCat Oct 2016 #176

Hope that you'd learn something. rug Oct 2016 #178

Hope that you'd learn something. AlbertCat Oct 2016 #179

Math can indicate an infinite series, without containing an infinity Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #95

Why doesn't he take over all the TV broadcasts for a few minutes. rickford66 Oct 2016 #65

Because it's not a trained baboon. rug Oct 2016 #66

Actually I'm not looking because he isn't there. rickford66 Oct 2016 #68

Maybe a circus is a better choice for you. rug Oct 2016 #70

I'll quit messin with ya. rickford66 Oct 2016 #72

Have a good night. rug Oct 2016 #73

Ask a miracle and get one, promises 1 Kings 18.20-40 etc.. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #94

I don't think Ba′al adds anything to this discussion. rug Oct 2016 #101

Baal and God both are asked to prove their existence Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #109

Which is a nonsequitur to this subthread. rug Oct 2016 #119

The thread asserts God should prove his existence Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #122

No. It asserts there remains no proof for an infinite, eternal universe. rug Oct 2016 #123

Not: "Why doesn't he take over the TV"? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #126

? rug Oct 2016 #127

The title: "Atheists are ... waiting for proof" Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #130

Sorry, but the Bible has no credibility Cartoonist Oct 2016 #138

Many believers only accept biblical arguments. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #140

Some would say that if the exsistence of god could be proven then there would be no need for faith Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #164

This is all you need. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #3

I already believe Cartoonist Oct 2016 #4

Then you are half way there. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #8

The same Cartoonist Oct 2016 #14

That is a bizarre coincidence. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #111

Are you trying to suggest God exists... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #16

Or, the third option, that you have to have faith. eom guillaumeb Oct 2016 #112

I really can't imagine what you think you are asking for, but I suspect only silly responses struggle4progress Oct 2016 #5

You win Cartoonist Oct 2016 #6

The idea is due to a very talented mathematician (J Barkley Rosser) struggle4progress Oct 2016 #9

After careful scrutiny Cartoonist Oct 2016 #13

That is certainly a clear indication of some problem. But can you find the actual problem? struggle4progress Oct 2016 #27

Self-referential circular logic. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #7

Indeed Cartoonist Oct 2016 #10

I am pleasantly surprised you noticed that struggle4progress Oct 2016 #12

Not circular but indeed self-referential struggle4progress Oct 2016 #11

Ok, now let's substitute god for a unicorn Lordquinton Oct 2016 #32

That is certainly a clear indication of some problem. But can you find the actual problem? struggle4progress Oct 2016 #34

No, enlighten me. Lordquinton Oct 2016 #36

I should not want to deprive you of the pleasure of thinking it through yourself, struggle4progress Oct 2016 #54

Is there no one here that can give a straight answer? Lordquinton Oct 2016 #59

I took the trouble to spell out Rosser's argument in detail struggle4progress Oct 2016 #71

So just summarize it in laymans terms. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #78

There's not much benefit to me in explaining what I think we might learn from Rosser's argument, struggle4progress Oct 2016 #105

Try again Cartoonist Oct 2016 #107

Is it that you don't accept the law of the excluded middle, that you don't accept struggle4progress Oct 2016 #108

As pointed out by myself and others Cartoonist Oct 2016 #110

That is certainly a clear indication of some problem. But can you find the actual problem? struggle4progress Oct 2016 #114

Of Course One Could Easily Substitute "Santa Claus" for "God" malchickiwick Oct 2016 #103

That is certainly a clear indication of some problem. But can you find the actual problem? struggle4progress Oct 2016 #104

Perhaps you should have a talk with God about your questions & concerns - jonno99 Oct 2016 #17

What is His number? Cartoonist Oct 2016 #18

There are many professed athiests who became believers. Their stories might give you jonno99 Oct 2016 #23

I am never moved by weak minds Cartoonist Oct 2016 #25

That answer seems to be a bit of a cop-out - or do you think that your attitude is unique? jonno99 Oct 2016 #33

It takes a strong mind to concede one might be wrong. rug Oct 2016 #35

It takes a weak mind Cartoonist Oct 2016 #40

It takes a porous mind to think there can be natural proof of unnatural things. rug Oct 2016 #41

I don't believe in the unnatural either Cartoonist Oct 2016 #45

Then you're stuck in explaining this universe. rug Oct 2016 #46

I prefer the scientific approach Cartoonist Oct 2016 #48

So god, which is as you just pointed out, unnatural? cleanhippie Oct 2016 #79

We might, if you knew what the word meant. rug Oct 2016 #82

How disappointing, yet expected. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #84

I expect you're familiar with disappointment. rug Oct 2016 #86

When it comes to getting a straight answer from you, indeed I am. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #88

Can't blame me for your disappointments. rug Oct 2016 #90

For he is known by the things that are visible Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #96

My, paraphrasing scripture. Here's Hebrews 11:3. rug Oct 2016 #100

Daniel, in Dan. 1.4-15, has a porous mind? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #115

Are you just randomly typing Bible citations? rug Oct 2016 #117

Daniel alleges a proof that God's food laws are good Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #121

On book tours, catering to other believers no doubt. AtheistCrusader Oct 2016 #180

Considering the evidence for a god existing has been all but completely eroded Lordquinton Oct 2016 #37

You really haven't been paying attention, quinton. rug Oct 2016 #43

Did someone provide any form of evidence to back up their claim? Lordquinton Oct 2016 #49

Precisely. You haven't been paying attention. rug Oct 2016 #51

I have seen no proof posted Lordquinton Oct 2016 #52

You haven't seen any definition of the required proof either. rug Oct 2016 #53

Um, what? Lordquinton Oct 2016 #57

So Rug admits he has no proof, but just faith? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #97

Gosh, we'd better ask him. rug Oct 2016 #99

Here is the question Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #113

Rather than ask Brettongarcia. I'll give you my answers. rug Oct 2016 #118

Here you abandon much of Christianity Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #124

Incorrect. The essence of Christianity is belief despite doubt. rug Oct 2016 #125

Like many Christians, you've misread John 20.24-30 Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #128

Lol! Sure I have. rug Oct 2016 #129

1 Corin. 15 asserts many material proofs Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #131

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Not that BS again Cartoonist Oct 2016 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #55

Prove it Cartoonist Oct 2016 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #64

I don't think you understand Cartoonist Oct 2016 #75

You said "God has always been there". That's what's being discussed. cleanhippie Oct 2016 #81

Dude lordsummerisle Oct 2016 #58

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #67

Amen! cornball 24 Oct 2016 #60

Collecting old copies of the bible = good hobby uppityperson Oct 2016 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #69

Welcome to DU. MADem Oct 2016 #74

i'm not still waiting, I'm just happy no one has bothered me juxtaposed Oct 2016 #56

I'm not waiting with bated breath because I don't expect it. SusanCalvin Oct 2016 #61

I've decided I don't care if god exists or not, because... Binkie The Clown Oct 2016 #92

Day 2 Cartoonist Oct 2016 #93

Only day 2?...methinks this could take awhile longer... NeoGreen Oct 2016 #102

Make sure you my offering to your list: there have been many atheists who once thought as you do - jonno99 Oct 2016 #145

What offering? Cartoonist Oct 2016 #146

I offered an answer to your question. You can spend your days howling "there is no proof", jonno99 Oct 2016 #153

FYI Cartoonist Oct 2016 #154

Fair enough. Again, good luck. nt jonno99 Oct 2016 #155

Can you prove that God is provable? DetlefK Oct 2016 #98

Hire Penn & Teller to judicate Cartoonist Oct 2016 #106

So... the threshold for proving God is the opinion of an illusionist? DetlefK Oct 2016 #120

lol! rug Oct 2016 #135

That's two who can't recognize humor Cartoonist Oct 2016 #137

That must be it. rug Oct 2016 #139

The same question must be asked of believers Orrex Oct 2016 #132

You are overlooking something: DetlefK Oct 2016 #148

Anyone who bases action or policy upon the existence (or Word) of God... Orrex Oct 2016 #160

Atheist and agnostic aren't mutually exclusive terms. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #141

I try to avoid making absolute statements based on belief. DetlefK Oct 2016 #149

No one's asking you to. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #152

Thanks to S4P Cartoonist Oct 2016 #116

Thanks. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #142

Good logicians typically enjoy unpacking arguments to understand what assumptions are involved, struggle4progress Oct 2016 #158

Godel didn't make it known until he thought he was dying in 1970. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #159

... Morgenstern recorded in his diary entry for 29 August 1970, that G�del would not publish because struggle4progress Oct 2016 #161

From that Wikipedia link... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #162

G�del argued at length for a belief in an afterlife. AlbertCat Oct 2016 #173

Funny but also eerily accurate. trotsky Oct 2016 #177

I'm afraid I'm not smart enough MFM008 Oct 2016 #133

That's a pretty smart observation. rug Oct 2016 #136

But you are smart enough.... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #174

Not waiting at all. Iggo Oct 2016 #134

Atheists still waiting for proof that God exists AlbertCat Oct 2016 #144

I agree with your point Cartoonist Oct 2016 #147

This atheist isn't waiting for any proof of existence or nonexistence. stone space Oct 2016 #157